It appears Stanley was a single player draft strategy. The last defenseman drafted before him was Niku in the 7th round the season before and Green the pick directly after him. Don't see how Cederholm is any type of trend beginning or ending? The next season the first 2 defenseman picked were even bigger kids in Samberg and Kovacevic followed by Gawanke then a big kid in Evingson. Then Chisholm and Vallati last season. Going back before Niku you see the same variety in defenseman types being picked along the way.
Sorry but I still think you are over stating your position as the Jets also drafted guys like Kichton and Yuen that would add to your exceptions side making it pretty balanced between a variety of defenseman types. IMO there is differing opinions around the table and the Jets make their draft board based on a wide range of criteria, one of those being size.Go look at some of the other d picks prior to 2017. Guys like Morrissey, Green and Niku are the exceptions. We drafted an awful lot of 6"3 lumbering players with limited skill like Cederholm, Seville, Halsted, Kostelek, Nogier, Karlstrom. Now it looks like those player types are the exception with guys like Chisholm, Gawnke etc being the new template. Also while Samberg and Kovacevik are big, they also have talent and produced points in their draft years.
It also shouldn't be that big of a surprise as a number of staff in the organization like their big physical crease clearers. There is a reason why we held onto Stuart way too long and why Chariot gets a larger role then he should. It's because those attributes are still valued highly within the org and would have influenced drafting philosophy. It seems that the org has grown and now sees the value in puck movers and transition defenders and has adapted it's philosophy accordingly.
Sorry but I still think you are over stating your position as the Jets also drafted guys like Kichton and Yuen that would add to your exceptions side making it pretty balanced between a variety of defenseman types. IMO there is differing opinions around the table and the Jets make their draft board based on a wide range of criteria, one of those being size.
I don't disagree. My point is the Jets have drafted a wide variety of defenseman types since 2011 and have continued to do so. Once you look at each defenseman there is no real trend one way or the other on which traits carry sway with any given pick. I see their scouting staff to be quite eclectic for both defenseman and forwards. That might say more about the size of the staff and their wide range of opinions on players.If you can get a player with both size and skill that’s great but size alone is useless.
I don't disagree. My point is the Jets have drafted a wide variety of defenseman types since 2011 and have continued to do so. Once you look at each defenseman there is no real trend one way or the other on which traits carry sway with any given pick. I see their scouting staff to be quite eclectic for both defenseman and forwards. That might say more about the size of the staff and their wide range of opinions on players.
Fun fact. Just because you state it and add “and that’s a fact” doesn’t actually make it true.There has been a change toward mobile puck moving D since the Stanley pick and that’s a fact. All we can do now is cross our fingers and hope Stanley is more than a 6/7 but the odds aren’t very good.
Fun fact. Just because you state it and add “and that’s a fact” doesn’t actually make it true.
Fun fact. Just because you state it and add “and that’s a fact” doesn’t actually make it true.
I can make it a fact, sort of...
"Me and a guy I work with were talking about you yesterday and how you've been bang on. He's sick of drafting low scoring D and cited you lol."
"I've made headway with other guys on staff. You'll see us drafting defenders you like this coming draft I bet."
Both of these were texts/dms from late-2016/early-2017 from different members of the Jets' organization.
Our D looks like it could be our strength in the future. These prospects seem better than Chariot Morrow and Myers
It appears Stanley was a single player draft strategy. The last defenseman drafted before him was Niku in the 7th round the season before and Green the pick directly after him. Don't see how Cederholm is any type of trend beginning or ending? The next season the first 2 defenseman picked were even bigger kids in Samberg and Kovacevic followed by Gawanke then a big kid in Evingson. Then Chisholm and Vallati last season. Going back before Niku you see the same variety in defenseman types being picked along the way.
Yeah?
What about the panicked narrative about Comeau/Hillier after Garret's week-long Stanley hatchet job? Was that educated? Because it's still lingering.
I don't disagree. My point is the Jets have drafted a wide variety of defenseman types since 2011 and have continued to do so. Once you look at each defenseman there is no real trend one way or the other on which traits carry sway with any given pick. I see their scouting staff to be quite eclectic for both defenseman and forwards. That might say more about the size of the staff and their wide range of opinions on players.
Why would you do that and try and take away my cheerfulness?Chisholm sounds great but - a little perspective: Morrow was taken 23 OA, he scored over a ppg in his D+1 year. Myers was drafted 12th OA, he didn't score quite ppg pace in D+1, but he won the Calder in D+2. These guys looked very, very good at a similar stage in their careers. Chiarot was a 4th round pick. He has outperformed his draft position just by making it to the NHL.
Chisholm sounds great but - a little perspective: Morrow was taken 23 OA, he scored over a ppg in his D+1 year. Myers was drafted 12th OA, he didn't score quite ppg pace in D+1, but he won the Calder in D+2. These guys looked very, very good at a similar stage in their careers. Chiarot was a 4th round pick. He has outperformed his draft position just by making it to the NHL.
Why would you do that and try and take away my cheerfulness?
Sorry not informed enough to know who pionk is. I'm not good st being level I'm either high or low so have been avoiding here and the misery after penguin game.Sorry.
Chisholm is still looking very promising, especially for a 5th rd pick. Its just that looking promising in D+1 or even D+2 is no guarantee. Does it help if I also mention that Parayko was a 3rd rd pick and Neal Pionk wasn't drafted at all? There are plenty more examples of very good D men who were unexpected successes.
A few things to provide context from my point of view at least.
I am thrilled a 5th round pick is being lumped in with Myers and Morrow comp wise because they were both 1st round picks. Secondly, I can’t really speak to either of those guys as far as how rounded their games were back in their D+1 season but Chisholm sounds like the defensive side of his game is excellent right now and that is a huge plus.
Who knows if Declan makes it or not but he is a fun prospect to have in the pipeline.
Sorry not informed enough to know who pionk is. I'm not good st being level I'm either high or low so have been avoiding here and the misery after penguin game.
If Chisolm was drafted by Oilers, I would say, good numbers but will never make it cause he is with the Oilers organization.Chisholm sounds great but - a little perspective: Morrow was taken 23 OA, he scored over a ppg in his D+1 year. Myers was drafted 12th OA, he didn't score quite ppg pace in D+1, but he won the Calder in D+2. These guys looked very, very good at a similar stage in their careers. Chiarot was a 4th round pick. He has outperformed his draft position just by making it to the NHL.
Panicked narrative? I just pointed out that Hillier was the strongest proponent for Stanley and Cederholm, and that the latter didn't even have the Jets' Euroscout's blessing.
That doesn't mean Hillier is a bad scout or anything... He also was a big Roslovic proponent.
Sorry.
Chisholm is still looking very promising, especially for a 5th rd pick. Its just that looking promising in D+1 or even D+2 is no guarantee. Does it help if I also mention that Parayko was a 3rd rd pick and Neal Pionk wasn't drafted at all? There are plenty more examples of very good D men who were unexpected successes.
If Chisolm was drafted by Oilers, I would say, good numbers but will never make it cause he is with the Oilers organization.
As he was drafted by Jets, I will say, good numbers and looks like he has a chance due to a great development program with the Jets.