BallardEra
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Honestly this number surprised me. I know it's a big difference, but for some reason I figured it was even more.
Probably seems like that to you because Sid missed a lot of games due to injuries.
Honestly this number surprised me. I know it's a big difference, but for some reason I figured it was even more.
So PPG's do up when you're at your peak (if you're a great talent which CM is), so this 1.251 will definitely go up.
Just a couple other numbers to keep in mind.
Crosby Games Played: 891
McDavid Games Played: 239
Not only on the PP. They played together hell amount of time = 27.5% of all Sid's TOI 2007-now (naturalstattrick). And their GF/60 is like cheatingly high = 7.67. Separately drops to normal 3.5And that is without playing with Malkin on the PP. Very impressive
Not only on the PP. They played together hell amount of time = 27.5% of all Sid's TOI 2007-now (naturalstattrick). And their GF/60 is like cheatingly high = 7.67. Separately drops to normal 3.5
My guess is that split includes powerplay time and they play all powerplay time together so the gf/60 in relation is extremely high.Not only on the PP. They played together hell amount of time = 27.5% of all Sid's TOI 2007-now (naturalstattrick). And their GF/60 is like cheatingly high = 7.67. Separately drops to normal 3.5
Not only on the PP. They played together hell amount of time = 27.5% of all Sid's TOI 2007-now (naturalstattrick). And their GF/60 is like cheatingly high = 7.67. Separately drops to normal 3.5
My guess is that split includes powerplay time and they play all powerplay time together so the gf/60 in relation is extremely high.
1. Depth players today are way better than they were 10 years ago, which takes away ice time from top end players. Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin were consistently in the 22-23 minute range for ice time around 2008, most guys today top out at 20 minutes (unless your depth is bad). This isn't the case with all players, this is something that doesn't apply to McDavid for example.
2. Goalies aren't "way better" today than they were 10 years ago, but I think there are significantly fewer bad goalies in the NHL today. Same with defenses. The average doesn't end up all that different, but you had a much bigger disparity of goaltending and defense talent 10 years ago.
3. There are less powerplay opportunities today than there was 10 years ago, and you usually see 2nd PP units playing a larger percentage because depth is way better/more skilled.
Those are all arguments for scoring being more difficult today. Some of those don't apply to all players, McDavid plays a ton per game because his team sucks, but it's a general comment. The NHL just has a lot more parity today, and it's harder for players to dominate when the teams in the league are closer.
You also have arguments for it being easier to put up points today: better talent means better linemates, coaching systems have evolved to negate out defensive systems (which wasn't the case in 2008), more teams means a more diluted talent pool....the point is that it's complicated.
It doesn't jive with the argument a lot of people make here to diminish Crosby's accomplishments, especially with his production. People will argue, with some moronic adjusted stats thing, that Sid's numbers are far less impressive.So Ovis/Malkin/Sids peak was the lowest scoring ?
Shocking, or not, theyre special talent and transcend era.
I wonder where the scoring will go from now until McDavids retirement.
It is absolutely relevant.This is an irrelevant point. Crosby produces just as much without Malkin playing in reality and in thoery. There is no doubt that Crosby produces with any quality of linemates or teammates.
It is absolutely relevant.
Numbers when both players were available (2006/07-2017/18):
GP = 667;
Sid total points = 867;
Sid points with Malkin = 291 (105 ESP; 1 SHP; 185 PPP);
0.44 PPG and 33.56% of all his points (when both on the team) were from 2C.
Pretending those numbers would be the same without best center in the league (not named Crosby) is irrelevant.
Does McDavid even pass Crosby?
Discuss.
I don't think so, and I don't see McDavid scoring 140 pts like some ppl here think that he is capable of. I'm saying that his ceiling is max 120. Scoring 140 pts in this day and age is close to impossible.
He will probs end up under Crosby in ppg.
Except both players have higher PPGs when the other has been out of the lineup or in the case of Malkin, noticeably under performed.
That is why your numbers are irrelevant. Speculating that Crosby doesn't do as well without Malkin is not backed up. And speculating that a player does something other than what they actually did based on pure speculation is a very weak argument.
Crosby's and McDavid's #'s speak for themselves.
Crosby never played without Malkin continuously for a long period except his first year 102/81=1.26
His PPG with Malkin 867/667=1.30.