Rhiessan71
Just a Fool
Are you saying that Mario is not revered for winning Art Rosses in partial seasons? Or that Orr is not assumed to have put up more generational seasons if not for his knees. There has to be some happy medium between looking at raw points and PPG, along with reasonable consideration for injuries.
The difference, as has been explain to you numerous times, is that Mario ACTUALLY achieved that higher level in FULL seasons.
And the important part is that while Mario receives some extra credit for some of his high PpG partial seasons (for good reason too, winning Art Ross' by a dozen or more point while missing 15-25% of the season), they are still NOT given as much weight as Gretzky's FULL seasons.
Or else it should be acknowledged with no dispute that Crosby's 2013/14 season was as statistically dominant as Jagr's win in 98/99 based on his lead over 2nd place. You can guess how well this will be accepted by some of the posters here.
I don't know what you're talking about?
It's accepted fine, there is no dispute that it was statistically as dominant. The dispute is over context. In this case who the 2nd place finishers were.
NO ONE is going to agree that Getzlaf, even on his best day (in this case, what was actually his best season ever) is equal offensively with Selanne, Kariya, Forsberg and Sakic.
As statistically dominant, sure.
As purely dominant or as dominant over-all, not a chance!
You can keep bringing this up every month like you always do but the answer isn't going to magically change.
Stevie Y beat Mario head to head in raw points 10 of 19 seasons, and has more career points. And was the better defensive player. Mario beats him only in peak regular season and playoff performance. But they should be a lot closer than #2 and #12 if one only deals with raw points.
We're not talking about a PpG of 1.30 to 1.22 though, We're talking about 1.9 to 1.22 and Stevie beats Mario in raw points by all of 32 points (1755-1723) despite Mario playing 600 less games (1514-915) heh
Mario vs Yzerman to Crosby vs Yzerman isn't even apples to oranges, it's more like comparing apples to moon rocks.
Noone deserves credit for points they didn't actually score but Crosby should be separated from players who he is clearly ahead of on a per game basis.
Oh he most definitely is, it's just not to the degree that YOU think he should be.
Nobody was claiming from 2005-2010 that the talent level was weak. So what has happened in the last five years? Seems pretty coincidental that all players are seeing a decrease in their production over the past 5 years and have seemingly gotten worse.
OR...
As has been shown to you MULTIPLE times now, the scoring decrease is almost perfectly mirrored with the decrease in PPO's.
And again...ES scoring is actually slightly up from 10 years ago.
How many times have we gone over these EXACT points now? 8 times? 9?
Like seriously...