That’s fair but the best attribute in pro sports is availability. The record books won’t be kind to Sid’s case for top 5 of all time. The Cups of course help a lot but other guys have won a lot too.
He's actually had 9 in a row. Or are we also not counting his 48 game rookie season? Because the NHL will count that one if McDavid continues these PPG+ seasons for the next decade to join Crosby and Gretzky.
Why not? One of the players people keep debating whether they're better than Crosby or not is Jean Beliveau. He's got the same number of Harts and 1 less Ross (one less Conn Smythe).
I don't think longevity will be an issue for Crosby.....there will be the "what if" of course....which possibly robbed him of hundreds of points, but that may just end up being a what if difference between finishing 5-10 in overall scoring vs. 2-5. He very well may end up top 20-25 in total games played even with his injury issues early in career.....even if he doesn't, he's played enough games already where that shouldn't be an issue like it is for Lemieux, Lindros, Forsberg, Bure, etc, etc.
His overall trophy cabinet puts him in Jagr tier, his stats put him below. I personally have him above Jagr but I watched both primes my entire life and I don’t see him as better than McDavid. We can have the Cup debate but that’s just my opinion.
Agreed 100%
This isn't true at all.
Where is the English version of this.
IF Crosby had stayed healthy that has hm at likely the below
Why not give Gretzky and Howe perfect health too?
Howe & Gretzky from a games missed perspectivw didnt miss much time with their career injuries
He was 31. The year before (1990-91) he had 163 points in 78 games and 103 EVP. No one was even close to him at even strength in 1991. How good is 103 EVP? It's a number Lemieux never hit and was only on pace to hit twice.
I think the big difference is *when* Crosby missed his time. Crosby missed the most games during what would have been not just his prime, but his PEAK. Guys like Gretzky, Howe, Orr, and honestly maybe even Lemieux, largely started to see their injuries show up outside of their peak.
Howe just played through his injuries.
Howe's biggest injury was in 1950, before he ever won a trophy.
It's crazy that as a 36 year old he's outproducing guys like Matthew Tkachuk, Elias Petterson, Matt Barzal, Jason Robertson. Those type of guys are in their absolute prime.
You're overrating McDavid. He absolutely has no place to be in the top 5 all time list as of now. Bring this discussion again once his career ends.
None of this is true.
Yet somehow you found the need to hijack a Crosby accomplishment thread to talk about Ovechkins’ accomplishments.
Besides the injuries he’s also lost a lot of games to things completely out of his control like the pandemic and lockouts. If not for those events on top of the injuries he’d easily have another 200+ points on his total.
