McKenzie: Coyotes offering OEL 8 x 8.25 contract

[Notsince67]

When making this much money I don't think cost of living and tax rate enter the picture much.

Taxes mattered with Stamkos.

 

[KINGS17]

What if I was an agent?

You wouldn't get what you are seeking.

 

[TorontoTrades]

I think he'll push for 9..

Maybe settle around 8.5-8.75

 

[Battle Lin]

8 mill for OEL just sounds about right...but once you get that U in free agency, the contract that you can get no longer looks about right, its usually more and a slight overpay since any team can buy you...he can get more if someone really wants him, hes a great young good enough 1D, hes not elite among the 1Ds but he is one

 

[cobra427]

The red wings won't. Leafs won't.

Same was said about Vegas.

 

[cobra427]

I respect you rt, you are the leader of the Yote on HF..

That said do you firmly believe the NHL will keep on bailing out the Yotes?

If it isn't clear by now that the team is staying in AZ, not sure what to tell you. The NHL isn't leaving a top 5 US metro market (ever).

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Taxes mattered with Stamkos.

If money matters, then taxes matter. Taxes are money. Less for you.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Any clauses?

 

[SundherDome]

Based on current contracts, cap rising etc he would be looking at consuming about 11-13 percent of the cap.. which at 80 mil is around 8.8 - 10.4 a year.. meeting in the middle at 9.6~ would be very fair.

 

[GoldenSeal]

Not sure why you think they don’t have hope. Plenty of young talent that eventually figures it out

The key word is eventually...and that's if they do. OEL has figured it out and is talented and gifted. He shouldn't be spending his prime years on a team that's a good 3-5 years off being a -possible- contender unless it's a quality of life issue for him, in that case do your best Shane Doan imitation and sign.

 

[wintersej]

If money matters, then taxes matter. Taxes are money. Less for you.

Salary is about keeping score with your peers and getting what you “deserve”. This isn’t negotiating between 75k and 150k a year where you can see a real difference.

If taxes mattered as much as you say, why don’t low tax states have all the best players and championships? Why do all the rich celebs flock to NY and LA? Heck why do more regular people live in high tax states than low tax ones? It’s intellectually lazy.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Carlson is getting 9 then, crazy market for dmen

I was going to say that this is probably the contract that Carlson gets. I’ve thought for a while he’ll sign for 8x8 in Washington.

 

[rt]

If it isn't clear by now that the team is staying in AZ, not sure what to tell you. The NHL isn't leaving a top 5 US metro market (ever).

That’s why Houston is a threat in a way that Quebec never really was. Houston isn’t going to pay expansion fees. Yet a transfer of a franchise from Phoenix to Houston is essentially a market upgrade.

A tenable arena situation in the actual Phoenix area would be the preference, I’m sure. Failing that, Houston is kind of a perfect option that basically appeared out of nowhere to potentially bail the league out.

Going from Atlanta to Winnipeg hurts. Going from Phoenix to Quebec hurts. Does going from Phoenix to Houston or Houston to Phoenix really matter?

 

[Hostile Offer]

Any clauses?

No reason to not give him a full NMC.

 

[cobra427]

That’s why Houston is a threat in a way that Quebec never really was. Houston isn’t going to pay expansion fees. Yet a transfer of a franchise from Phoenix to Houston is essentially a market upgrade.

A tenable arena situation in the actual Phoenix area would be the preference, I’m sure. Failing that, Houston is kind of a perfect option that basically appeared out of nowhere to potentially bail the league out.

Going from Atlanta to Winnipeg hurts. Going from Phoenix to Quebec hurts. Does going from Phoenix to Houston or Houston to Phoenix really matter?

If Houston wants a team, they will pay expansion fees. Fast forward 10 years and the Phoenix market dwarfs Houston. The long term picture is too bright in AZ, the NHL isn't leaving, its really that simple.

 

[CanadienShark]

Seems alright to me. Fair for both sides.

 

[TheDoldrums]

People have different preferences. For some people West Texas is heaven on earth.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

 

[Notsince67]

Salary is about keeping score with your peers and getting what you “deserve”. This isn’t negotiating between 75k and 150k a year where you can see a real difference.

If taxes mattered as much as you say, why don’t low tax states have all the best players and championships? Why do all the rich celebs flock to NY and LA? Heck why do more regular people live in high tax states than low tax ones? It’s intellectually lazy.

Do you really believe Stamkos liked Florida so much that he chose to sign for $8.5 MM instead of take $11MM from elsewhere? Zero taxes had nothing to do with it?

 

[Dan Kelly]

this very definitely isn't a sign a trade ! if the Yotes are offering this much money for that many years then they intend on keeping him . but that won't stop the constant trade threads with this guy with him going everywhere under the sun like fans do with only-productive-when-he-plays-with-McDavid Leon Draisaitl threads!

 

[rt]

Salary is about keeping score with your peers and getting what you “deserve”. This isn’t negotiating between 75k and 150k a year where you can see a real difference.

If taxes mattered as much as you say, why don’t low tax states have all the best players and championships? Why do all the rich celebs flock to NY and LA? Heck why do more regular people live in high tax states than low tax ones? It’s intellectually lazy.

Buddy. These are the examples you use to illustrate your point and you’re accusing others of being lazy? You should drop this.

 

[firstemperor]

Taxes mattered with Stamkos.

Perhaps, but it's just projecting to think he didn't sign in Toronto simply due to taxes. Toronto wasn't a good team for ~a decade and just came off being the worst team in the league and picking 1st overall.

To go to a cup contender for that? Can't blame him. Clearly, we were a candidate as he only ended up meeting Toronto/Tampa (not Detroit, Buffalo, etc.).

 

[Notsince67]

Perhaps, but it's just projecting to think he didn't sign in Toronto simply due to taxes. Toronto wasn't a good team for ~a decade and just came off being the worst team in the league and picking 1st overall.

To go to a cup contender for that? Can't blame him. Clearly, we were a candidate as he only ended up meeting Toronto/Tampa (not Detroit, Buffalo, etc.).

Look....I would sign in florida over Toronto. Not if there is a 3MM/year difference though

 

[firstemperor]

Look....I would sign in florida over Toronto. Not if there is a 3MM/year difference though

How did you come up with those numbers though? And I don't think it is as elementary as you put it.

Florida has lower income tax but they have other avenues to generate that income for their state- such as primarily through property tax.

Stamkos would also have more endorsement potential in Toronto by a fair amount.

I'm talking in generalities but I'd be surprised if the true difference in relative, net salary per year was to the tune of ~3 million/ year.

 

[Notsince67]

How did you come up with those numbers though? And I don't think it is as elementary as you put it.

Florida has lower income tax but they have other avenues to generate that income for their state- such as primarily through property tax.

Stamkos would also have more endorsement potential in Toronto by a fair amount.

I'm talking in generalities but I'd be surprised if the true difference in relative, net salary per year was to the tune of ~3 million/ year.

I read an article.
How taxes could impact Stamkos signing with Maple Leafs - Sportsnet.ca
8.5MM=10MM in Toronto.
No way I'd leave peaceful sunny florida for Toronto the media and fan zoo. That would require at keast an extra $1.5MM (to me). 1.5+1.5=3

 

[therealkoho]

and somewhere John Carlson is smiling