OT: Covid-19 (Part 44) Closer Together

[OnTheRun]

Man, I wish you luck, as I'm sure you do me.

But I genuinely believe that if kids are dying, being damaged, it'd be a pretty big deal around these parts and there would be quite the hurry to get children approved for vaccine.

But that's not how it work. Vaccine trials for the 5~11 years old are still ongoing, no one get the shot until the trials are completed and the data is reviewed. Winter 2022 is probably when it's going to happen.

 

[Frozenice]

One of the largest US law firms will deactivate ID cards of non-vaccinated staff in September

Now that's how it's done. No vax, you can't get in. Lol.

Lol, a lot of these people aren’t coming back. A lot.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lol, a lot of these people aren’t coming back. A lot.

Cool. They can f*** right off.

 

[HBDay]

But that's not how it work. Vaccine trials for the 5~11 years old are still ongoing, no one get the shot until the trials are completed and the data is reviewed. Winter 2022 is probably when it's going to happen.

You know how it does work though, when you look at the published numbers of children death in Quebec which is currently 0.0.

And I truly whole heartedly believe, that if kids are dying and at major risk, I'm hearing it from more places than "ontherun" and "lafleursguy" on hf boards.

Because currently after watching the news and reading the news, every day, nobody has told me to lock up my child. Which Jesus Christ I'm sure they would have if shit was getting really serious for kids.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You know how it does work though, when you look at the published numbers of children death in Quebec which is currently 0.0.

And I truly whole heartedly believe, that if kids are dying and at major risk, I'm hearing it from more places than "ontherun" and "lafleursguy" on hf boards.

Because currently after watching the news and reading the news, every day, nobody has told me to lock up my child. Which Jesus Christ I'm sure they would have if shit was getting really serious for kids.

Again... this continues to mutate. We've been lucky with it so far. That doesn't mean our luck will continue. As it mutates risk increase.

 

[HBDay]

Again... this continues to mutate. We've been lucky with it so far. That doesn't mean it will continue. As it mutates risk increase.

Totally understand that, said that in this very thread way back.

You guys are oddly, trying to convince me to me be worried, when I'm not.

 

[OnTheRun]

You know how it does work though, when you look at the published numbers of children death in Quebec which is currently 0.0.

And I truly whole heartedly believe, that if kids are dying and at major risk, I'm hearing it from more places than "ontherun" and "lafleursguy" on hf boards.

Because currently after watching the news and reading the news, every day, nobody has told me to lock up my child. Which Jesus Christ I'm sure they would have if shit was getting really serious for kids.

You're not hearing any of that stuff from me, yet you pretend you do, so who know what you are hearing.

You said if kids were dying or getting damaged they would hurry to get children approved for the vaccine. And the answer is no they wouldn't. The process doesn't change: trial -> review -> approval. They're in trial phase now.

 

[MasterD]

Cases are rising. Wait 2 weeks and hospits will too. Like elsewhere around the world. We are not different.

Cases have just started to rise.

And what do you mean by opening up? I can do whatever I want right now. Nothing is closed for me.

Closed, maybe not, but there's still limits in restaurants, in festivals, at the bell center, in my backyard... No real reason for them.

 

[MasterD]

Cool.

It's great that you aren't worried about my kid.

I am.

I'm responsible for his wellbeing. And when folks decide that they don't want to get the shot, so be it. I can't force them to.

But I'm all for curtailing the unvaccinated in going to airports or concerts. If you don't give a shit about others, then don't come to me complaining when you can't go see ABBA live. There's no way we should be put at risk because folks aren't willing to get the shot.

Stop the guilt tripping man, people at risk should get the vaccine. If they get COVID and die, that's on them at this point. Us getting the vaccine prevents US from severe symptoms, doesn't prevent catching and transmitting it.

 

[HBDay]

You're not hearing any of that stuff from me, yet you pretend you do, so who know what you are hearing.

You said if kids were dying or getting damaged they would hurry to get children approved for the vaccine. And the answer is no they wouldn't. The process doesn't change: trial -> review -> approval. They're in trial phase now.

Got it, thanks, it was a misinterpretation on my end.

 

[Milhouse40]

With all due respect, do you even read what you post.....

That whole article spends the entire time saying they don't know at all if this true.

Of course.....that's what science is all about.

 

[Milhouse40]

You know how it does work though, when you look at the published numbers of children death in Quebec which is currently 0.0.

And I truly whole heartedly believe, that if kids are dying and at major risk, I'm hearing it from more places than "ontherun" and "lafleursguy" on hf boards.

Because currently after watching the news and reading the news, every day, nobody has told me to lock up my child. Which Jesus Christ I'm sure they would have if shit was getting really serious for kids.

Until it's news....it's not news but it doesn't mean it doesn't happens. Dying isn't the only bad outcome and no one is telling you to lock up your kids, but just be cautious cause we now know, it affects more younger people than the previous strains.

Children's Hospital reports spike in COVID hospitalizations, death of patient | Coronavirus | nola.com


And it happened in the UK too
Up to 30 kids a day in hospital with Covid as experts warn restricting jabs is ‘gamble’ (thescottishsun.co.uk)

As it was happening also in India
Over 100 children died from COVID-19 in Indonesia each week in July - World Socialist Web Site (wsws.org)

Kids are still less likely to develop a severe case than adults but they are more likely than they were with other strains. But this is good for everyone too, cause now it's not the only the old people who are getting sick:

 

[HBDay]

Until it's news....it's not news but it doesn't mean it doesn't happens. Dying isn't the only bad outcome and no one is telling you to lock up your kids, but just be cautious cause we now know, it affects more younger people than the previous strains.

Children's Hospital reports spike in COVID hospitalizations, death of patient | Coronavirus | nola.com


And it happened in the UK too
Up to 30 kids a day in hospital with Covid as experts warn restricting jabs is ‘gamble’ (thescottishsun.co.uk)

As it was happening also in India
Over 100 children died from COVID-19 in Indonesia each week in July - World Socialist Web Site (wsws.org)

Kids are still less likely to develop a severe case than adults but they are more likely than they were with other strains. But this is good for everyone too, cause now it's not the only the old people who are getting sick:

See I respect this approach alot. Thank you. Relatively un-bias, acknowledging both sides.

And yes I will continue to be cautious as a parent would do. But I am happy to draw the line at wash your hands, don't put that in your mouth and stay away from sick people. I also am happy to not request at all your vaccination status prior to being around someone.

My reasoning for that is as follows:

-being vaccinated provides us with sufficient protection, to my liking, according to all our stats so far.

- someone being unvaccinated does not by virtue mean they have Covid. There are alot of factors you could take into account here. A big one would be keeping an eye on your local health units numbers, which I do. I don't live in a metropolitan city so for instance the 32 cases in my region where the population, over a massive swath of land is over 300,000. I'm more than comfortable with that risk.

- I don't believe In the segregation of society, in any form.

- I much more value human interaction for my family then, to be completely frank, any fear I ever may have had over this virus which has always been minimal.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

"but kids are immune to COVID!" it was never really about the kids, it was about taking an opportunity to downplay the severity of this outbreak and spread further doubt and misinfo.

"but the vaccine isn't fully FDA-approved yet!" same thing, it was never about that, it's just about finding an excuse not to get the shot.

sow doubt and delay, delay, delay. these tactics are getting old

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Stop the guilt tripping man, people at risk should get the vaccine. If they get COVID and die, that's on them at this point. Us getting the vaccine prevents US from severe symptoms, doesn't prevent catching and transmitting it.

Wrong.

If they don’t get the vaccine it’s not just on them. It’s on us. They’re exposing us to this crap. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Cool.

It's great that you aren't worried about my kid.

I am.

I'm responsible for his wellbeing. And when folks decide that they don't want to get the shot, so be it. I can't force them to.

But I'm all for curtailing the unvaccinated in going to airports or concerts. If you don't give a shit about others, then don't come to me complaining when you can't go see ABBA live. There's no way we should be put at risk because folks aren't willing to get the shot.

I wish no ill-will on your 10 year old. I said you’re over reacting and you are.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

See I respect this approach alot. Thank you. Relatively un-bias, acknowledging both sides.

And yes I will continue to be cautious as a parent would do. But I am happy to draw the line at wash your hands, don't put that in your mouth and stay away from sick people. I also am happy to not request at all your vaccination status prior to being around someone.

My reasoning for that is as follows:

-being vaccinated provides us with sufficient protection, to my liking, according to all our stats so far.

- someone being unvaccinated does not by virtue mean they have Covid. There are alot of factors you could take into account here. A big one would be keeping an eye on your local health units numbers, which I do. I don't live in a metropolitan city so for instance the 32 cases in my region where the population, over a massive swath of land is over 300,000. I'm more than comfortable with that risk.

- I don't believe In the segregation of society, in any form.

- I much more value human interaction for my family then, to be completely frank, any fear I ever may have had over this virus which has always been minimal.

So let’s not put patients with Ebola in quarantine. Wouldn’t want to segregate people....

 

[HBDay]

"but kids are immune to COVID!" it was never really about the kids, it was about taking an opportunity to downplay the severity of this outbreak and spread further doubt and misinfo.

"but the vaccine isn't fully FDA-approved yet!" same thing, it was never about that, it's just about finding an excuse not to get the shot.

sow doubt and delay, delay, delay. these tactics are getting old

My god man. No one is saying they are immune. They are saying them dying or developing serious complications is incredibly rare.

Here is an article, dated July 15 headline is kids dying is incredibly rare.

Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children

But honestly I'm probably giving up here, you guys are staunch in your beliefs.

But it is interesting the role reversal, how it was the "anti vaxers" who were pushing false news and data... But now.. it really is you! Because there is absolutely zero, hard data, hard numbers that indicate anything other than it is incredibly rare at this moment, in Canada.

 

[HBDay]

So let’s not put patients with Ebola in quarantine. Wouldn’t want to segregate people....

Just quit it man, I'm done.

The analogies are probably the lamest thing to bring to an argument.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I wish no ill-will on your 10 year old. I said you’re over reacting and you are.

Not overreacting at all.

I’m not advocating for people to be strapped down against their will and being forced to take a shot. That would be overreacting.

What I’ve said is that we should curtail what the unvaccinated can do in order to protect others. Not only is that a common sense approach, it’s a responsible one.

As for you not wishing harm, your words don’t mean shit without action. You can pay whatever lip service you want, but if you aren’t backing it up with action it’s meaningless.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

My god man. No one is saying they are immune. They are saying them dying or developing serious complications is incredibly rare.

Here is an article, dated July 15 headline is kids dying is incredibly rare.

Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children

But honestly I'm probably giving up here, you guys are staunch in your beliefs.

But it is interesting the role reversal, how it was the "anti vaxers" who were pushing false news and data... But now.. it really is you! Because there is absolutely zero, hard data, hard numbers that indicate anything other than it is incredibly rare at this moment, in Canada.

not just in Canada.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Just quit it man, I'm done.

The analogies are probably the lamest thing to bring to an argument.

No, the lamest thing would be to downplay a pandemic and talk about how segregation is wrong while ignoring the well-being of others.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Not overreacting at all.

mom not advocating for people to be strapped down against their will and being forced to take a shot. That would be overreacting.

What I’ve said is that we should curtail what the unvaccinated can do in order to protect others. Not only is that a common sense approach, it’s a responsible one.

As for you not wishing harm, your words don’t mean shit without action. You can pay whatever lip service you want, but if you aren’t backing it up with action it’s meaningless.

Whatever, dude. You’re sensitive to this subject, obviously. I’m going to disengage as I don’t want this to end up in the mud pit for no reason. Good luck LG. I mean that, whether you believe it or not.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Whatever, dude. You’re sensitive to this subject, obviously. I’m going to disengage as I don’t want this to end up in the mud pit for no reason. Good luck LG. I mean that, whether you believe it or not.

Again, your good wishes only means anything if you put action behind it.

 

[HBDay]

No, the lamest thing would be to downplay a pandemic and talk about how segregation is wrong while ignoring the well-being of others.

Holy f*** man.

I agree this is obviously very sensitive to you man. Enjoy it k.