OT: COVID-19 general thread part II (and final part - see closing post)

[Davegarri]

I don't believe I was belittling you but take no issue with doing so to anyone who is actively and/or ignorantly hurting not only myself, but the people I care about.

This is no longer an opinion. It is life or death. Feast or famine.

Feel about it as you wish, but any opinion otherwise is counterproductive and imo, harmful.

You weren't belittling me, but were doing so to others because they had different opinions. It was merely just advice based off of past personal experiences. Take it and use it how you like.

 

[njdevils1982]

Nvm, I read york as NYC and forgot you were Canadian lol

But yeah we got our own problems in the tri-state area again, and closing the schools (which haven't even been shown to be a big spreader) aren't gonna solve jack.

im just half venting, half frustrated

…,and best of luck (obviously)

 

[JimEIV]

You're right in one sense, the problem is there's so much bad faith messaging out there that the wrong message gets spread easily, too many people believe it, and it just gets us further down a rabbit hole both socially and in terms of dealing with the virus.

Everyone can behave however they want, but unfortunately how others think and behave affects everyone else as well when dealing with a highly contagious disease.

I don't know? I mean, I feel fairly confident in saying there isn't a single person who has any bearing on me. I don't have to ever leave my house if I choose not to and really for the most part I haven't for the vast majority of the last 9 months besides outdoor activities.

I like to fish and the outdoors, I can do that fairly easily without ever coming into contact with anyone. In fact, that's really why I like those things...to be away from people

I understand this isn't true for everyone and I understand some people can't insulate themselves. But for me and my circumstances I can honestly say that no matter what anyone does it doesn't effect me as far as the virus is concerned.

If I do happen to get the virus, I can assure you that it will have been because of my decisions not because of anyone else.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

If I do happen to get the virus, I can assure you that it will have been because of my decisions not because of anyone else.

It's not about the decision for you. That's the point.

500k dead Americans on the horizon. But our freedumbs.

Uganda seems to get it. Why can't Kansas?

 

[MartyOwns]

you’re all going to feel pretty silly arguing over this when the coronavirus just disappears like a miracle

 

[NJDevs26]

I understand this isn't true for everyone and I understand some people can't insulate themselves. But for me and my circumstances I can honestly say that no matter what anyone does it doesn't effect me as far as the virus is concerned.

If I do happen to get the virus, I can assure you that it will have been because of my decisions not because of anyone else.

You said it yourself, the situation is different for you than for a lot of other people, especially those in essential jobs, those with jobs where they need to be around others and travel in some capacity or other, people taking care of elderly relatives and/or their kids who are going to school just to name some pretty big subsets, all of whom are inevitably affected by government and society's behavior towards the virus.

 

[Patrik26]

I genuinely hope ticketbastard follows through on their promise of papers.

I do not have any desire to be around folks with your disposition.

And the problem is that you won't "wait on the sideline", you'll be walking around with the rest of us.

Have some sense of the social contract dude.

First off, don't worry. I'll be as far away from Newark as I can be. In fact, I'm rather enjoying not forking out $500 per month for ST and will be watching from home for the foreseeable future.

Don't be concerned about my disposition or assume you know how I'm dealing with the pandemic. You have no idea. I live with a school teacher so go figure that out for yourself.

If you're confident with the vaccine, what are you worried about? You'll be protected. I'll be vulnerable.

I have plenty sense of the social contract - DUDE. When I'm confident a vaccine works without other causing other issues, I'll get vaccinated. Again, don't assume you know how I'm dealing with the pandemic.

 

[Patrik26]

I don't believe I was belittling you but take no issue with doing so to anyone who is actively and/or ignorantly hurting not only myself, but the people I care about.

This is no longer an opinion. It is life or death. Feast or famine.

Feel about it as you wish, but any opinion otherwise is counterproductive and imo, harmful.

Everyones opinion is valid as long as it coincides with yours, correct? I just want to make sure I understand your "logic".

 

[None Shall Pass]

I think there's good enough logical reason to be at least a little bit nervous about getting the vaccine. It got created really quickly in terms of vaccine creation, and we don't have years and years of historical data to back up that it's safe like we do with other vaccines. I admit I'm a little nervous about getting it as well for that very reason. I have all my other shots and vaccines, get a flu shot every year. I'm the opposite of anti-vax.

I won't suffer the fools who won't take it because they think Bill Gates or BIG GUBBERMINT is trying to microchip them with it, or they see some ingredients in there that they think is awful (The "OMG MERCURY IN THE VACCINES" PEOPLE).

 

[RNCDevil]

I think there's good enough logical reason to be at least a little bit nervous about getting the vaccine. It got created really quickly in terms of vaccine creation, and we don't have years and years of historical data to back up that it's safe like we do with other vaccines. I admit I'm a little nervous about getting it as well for that very reason. I have all my other shots and vaccines, get a flu shot every year. I'm the opposite of anti-vax.

I won't suffer the fools who won't take it because they think Bill Gates or BIG GUBBERMINT is trying to microchip them with it, or they see some ingredients in there that they think is awful (The "OMG MERCURY IN THE VACCINES" PEOPLE).

Pfizer and Moderna hijack your own cellular machinery to make the spike protein and elicit an immune response. They differ from the classic LAV (live attenuated vaccine) models. My main concern is keeping the molecule stable from manufacturing to delivery in your arm. Both platforms have stringent storage needs. I thought this woman did a good job explaining the RNA platform:



MedCram does a more detailed, Khan Academy-like video:

 

[njdevils1982]

I don't know? I mean, I feel fairly confident in saying there isn't a single person who has any bearing on me. I don't have to ever leave my house if I choose not to and really for the most part I haven't for the vast majority of the last 9 months besides outdoor activities.

I like to fish and the outdoors, I can do that fairly easily without ever coming into contact with anyone. In fact, that's really why I like those things...to be away from people

I understand this isn't true for everyone and I understand some people can't insulate themselves. But for me and my circumstances I can honestly say that no matter what anyone does it doesn't effect me as far as the virus is concerned.

If I do happen to get the virus, I can assure you that it will have been because of my decisions not because of anyone else.

stop living my life man!

but seriously, im in the same boat as you... quite recluse i'd say…….and i remember saying exactly the same thing as your last line back in march

 

[njdevils1982]

you’re all going to feel pretty silly arguing over this when the coronavirus just disappears like a miracle

havent you heard yet? just inject bleach!

*required disclaimer: people dont do this*

 

[JimEIV]

stop living my life man!

but seriously, im in the same boat as you... quite recluse i'd say…….and i remember saying exactly the same thing as your last line back in march

I have a liquor store that delivers so I am ok regardless

 

[njdevils1982]

I have a liquor store that delivers so I am ok regardless

but do you have all the copper parts to 'shine?

 

[JimEIV]

but do you have all the copper parts to 'shine?

I don't think my neighbors would take kindly to me cooking up hooch in the backyard... Although, I do have a bunch of carboys for beer making...hell, that's a great idea. I haven't made beer in a few years. I am going to have to put an order in for some supplies.

 

[glenwo2]

Unfortunately this may not be an option for you, depending on your lifestyle

Your job may require a vaccine form to go back to work. And if not them, surely youll need it to fly or cross the border. Perhaps even to go to a Devils game or concert.

Also waiting to see the effects after is unrealistic because most long-term effects dont show their head for years.

That sounds pretty bad.

Forcing people to take an injection of something they're wary of into their bodies just to get back to work?

That's coercion.

And I'm not planning to fly anywhere or cross any border.

 

[Frozen Lake]

That sounds pretty bad.

Forcing people to take an injection of something they're wary of into their bodies just to get back to work?

That's coercion.

And I'm not planning to fly anywhere or cross any border.

What will likely happen is companies will set a date for when their workers (who enter the building, not work from home) are expected to have the vaccine by in order to go back to the office, if they arent already.

Example being if by March 1st (random date), your company wants you to have a vaccine form filled out with two injections or you’ll have to work from home or be replaced. Technically it is no different than requiring specific shots for a student to attend school or certain shots for workers to go overseas.

I agree it is unfortunate and feels wrong to force that upon someone. However it is the only way to get to herd immunity and/or, at minimum, protect their workers (and the company’s ass). So it may be a necessary evil for businesses to operate by.

Taking tough precautions versus going through more lockdowns

 

[NJDevs26]

The personal privacy argument doesn't really wash because if a handful of people in a department don't get vaccinated and they all get infected from each other, companies can't just call someone up from the corporate minors for two weeks or more to replace them. It'd be one thing if this was a few day illness like the flu but two weeks is a long time, especially in a busy season like a tax company in March and April or retail this month.

I'm sure in most cases it'll just come down to various management-union negotiations whether vaccinations will be outright required, merely incentivized or everyone looks the other way, and that includes sports leagues. But we're still a ways away from A) the vaccine being completely available to the public, and B) any kind of labor negotiations to see who and what will require a vaccine.

I also wonder whether even people who aren't anti-vaxxers will see the point of a vaccination if they've already had the disease. There haven't been many re-infection cases to this point, although even a number greater than zero would be concerning for me.

 

[Billdo]

Has there been anything written about the longevity of the efficiency of the vaccine? Is it forever? Yearly like the flu? Every few years for a booster?

 

[MartyOwns]

Has there been anything written about the longevity of the efficiency of the vaccine? Is it forever? Yearly like the flu? Every few years for a booster?

i think it's too soon to know, but my guess is that it's a one time deal. i don't think this will be like the flu, where every year people will be susceptible to it...but that's just my non-educated guess.

 

[njdevils1982]

I don't think my neighbors would take kindly to me cooking up hooch in the backyard... Although, I do have a bunch of carboys for beer making...hell, that's a great idea. I haven't made beer in a few years. I am going to have to put an order in for some supplies.

i got a couple of empty carboys in the cellar….i could get on brewing this winter…hmm …


ill need a new hydrometer though…have no clue where the old one is

 

[tr83]

PSA: Try to ensure that you get the same "brand" of vaccine. If you get the Pfizer vaccine, make sure your one month booster is also the Pfizer vaccine There isn't enough information out there about receiving different "brands" or different platforms for COVID. Scientists can try to extrapolate based on different vaccine platforms for different viruses, like polio, but RNA vaccines are new. They will try to use protein fragment platforms (conjugate vaccines) to extrapolate what response RNA vaccines might illicit.

You might experience more side effects of the vaccine when you get your booster. It could be as simple as injection site pain, low grade fever, some lethargy, etc. In some cases, it might even knock you out for a day. With so many getting the vaccine you'll hear about adverse effects, including allergic reactions and Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a condition (for those age >50) where the nerves tingle and could lead to nerve damage. (Fun fact, you're more likely to experience GBS infected with the virus than after getting the vaccine).

Don't forget people: Statistics. Americans are terrible with math and statistics. You'll hear these complications, but the most adverse ones are very rare. The disinformation network is going to be REALLY loud.

Pfizer and Moderna hijack your own cellular machinery to make the spike protein and elicit an immune response. They differ from the classic LAV (live attenuated vaccine) models. My main concern is keeping the molecule stable from manufacturing to delivery in your arm. Both platforms have stringent storage needs. I thought this woman did a good job explaining the RNA platform:



MedCram does a more detailed, Khan Academy-like video:

Moderna's vaccine can be stored in a regular freezer for 6 months, one month in a refrigerator, and 12 hrs at room temp.
Pfizer's less forgiving. Having storage conditions of -80C can't be good for storage outside of the freezer.

Has there been anything written about the longevity of the efficiency of the vaccine? Is it forever? Yearly like the flu? Every few years for a booster?

Pfizer says it looks like at least a year, but it's still too early to tell.

 

[RNCDevil]

My personal bias is Pfizer, only because they have made and delivered billions of units for a long time. Moderna has never delivered but if their provenance suggests the RNA is stable, I'm ready to go...but not until June? Still, once my parents get it, I can at least see them.

 

[JimEIV]

i got a couple of empty carboys in the cellar….i could get on brewing this winter…hmm …


ill need a new hydrometer though…have no clue where the old one is

I broke my hydrometer and never replaced it. I figure what's the point...I am not going change the abv after so many weeks of fermentation and I don't have a pressing need to know...I just follow the process and don't worry about it.

 

[njdevils1982]

I broke my hydrometer and never replaced it. I figure what's the point...I am not going change the abv after so many weeks of fermentation and I don't have a pressing need to know...I just follow the process and don't worry about it.

ha...somethings just make sense…


...was bored today and did some cleaning of the storage/furnace room and lo and behold …..the hydrometer i havent seen in years was in a drawer

its a sign to get brewin i guess!

(ill attribute the find to you man)