Couturier vs Marner

[TheBeastCoast]

What a weird poll.

 

[North Cole]

i mean the age part should handicap the player who is 5 years older. but that part is conveniently ignored.

No it isn't, its just somewhat offset by the cap. If the contract is ignored HF takes the younger player the majority of the time, especially with such a significant age difference.

Marner is still handedly winning so not sure what the issue is here. You want the poll to be 100% to 0%?

Id argue you get a bigger advantage from the age, since the cap advantage is done after next year, but Marner is always 5 years younger. So maybe its more unfair to include the age.

 

[CatchyTune]

No it isn't, its just somewhat offset by the cap. If the contract is ignored HF takes the younger player the majority of the time, especially with such a significant age difference.

Marner is still handedly winning so not sure what the issue is here. You want the poll to be 100% to 0%?

Id argue you get a bigger advantage from the age, since the cap advantage is done after next year, but Marner is always 5 years younger. So maybe its more unfair to include the age.

i mean its his literal age... cant disregard facts.

im not saying everyone has to vote Marner but some posters' reasoning is out of whack. this site has too many cap obsessed posters.

 

[Larry Hanson]

I don't particularly think his contract is even that steep. If the guy can be a perennial top 5 point producer, paying him what he gets is more than fair value.

With Couturier you can add another 7M+ player to get to the same cap hit.
Can't see a problem picking either side.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

With Couturier you can add another 7M+ player to get to the same cap hit.
Can't see a problem picking either side.

For 1 year before you need to sign Couturier.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Id argue you get a bigger advantage from the age, since the cap advantage is done after next year, but Marner is always 5 years younger. So maybe its more unfair to include the age.

Couturier will almost surely still be making less than Marner after next year.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Couturier will almost surely still be making less than Marner after next year.

Because he’s not as good.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Because he’s not as good.

Maybe look at the bolded part I was replying to.

 

[Regal]

Couturier brings similar value 5v5. Marner is the better player due to PP, but there's not a massive difference between these two players. As such, Couturier is much more valuable on his current deal, and while it expires soon, I suspect his new deal will be below Marner to the point that he might be more valuable for a couple years into the new deal, since points tends to drive contract dollars more than anything. Overall, Marner's age and years under control make him more valuable on the market and long-term though.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Couturier will almost surely still be making less than Marner after next year.

How much less? His peers (ie. Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, O'Reilly) range anywhere from Bergeron's low-end $6.875 million, O'Reilly's $7.5 million, Kopitar's $10 million, up to Toews' $10.5 million.

I'd be shocked if he got the low-end and high-end, so his next deal will probably fall somewhere between O'Reilly's $7.5 million and Kopitar's $10 million.

 

[Larry Hanson]

How much less? His peers (ie. Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, O'Reilly) range anywhere from Bergeron's low-end $6.875 million, O'Reilly's $7.5 million, Kopitar's $10 million, up to Toews' $10.5 million.

I'd be shocked if he got the low-end and high-end, so his next deal will probably fall somewhere between O'Reilly's $7.5 million and Kopitar's $10 million.

I suspect it will be in the 8M range but we'll see, flat cap for a few years will most likely have an effect. Also, 3 of 4 of those players (and both of the high end of those salaries) are to players who won multiple cups before signing their extension, that makes a big difference.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Couturier for this and next season.

 

[North Cole]

i mean its his literal age... cant disregard facts.

im not saying everyone has to vote Marner but some posters' reasoning is out of whack. this site has too many cap obsessed posters.

Whats wrong with the reasoning? They are looking at his cap hit and as you aptly put it...its his literal cap hit and you can't ignore facts.

Its less wack than saying "Marner makes more money because he is a better player". He makes more money because he was better at the time he signed his contract - no different than Mack or Draisaitl. Some players just out develop their contracts and then you have them on steals. Thats always the goal.

The cap has also grown 14% between when the two contracts were signed. I voted Marner from a fans perspective but if I was the Oilers in a real life scenario, im taking Coots. Dead against the cap, we would have to sell a lot to take on 11m.

People should be cap obsessed. The cap runs the league.

 

[North Cole]

Couturier will almost surely still be making less than Marner after next year.

Yes but it'll be close enough that it becomes hard to use it to offset the age gap. As the advantage in cap decrease the advantage in age doesn't.

 

[Regal]

I suspect it will be in the 8M range but we'll see, flat cap for a few years will most likely have an effect. Also, 3 of 4 of those players (and both of the high end of those salaries) are to players who won multiple cups before signing their extension, that makes a big difference.

Yea I'm thinking 8-8.5ish as well. Depends on length a bit. I would take Couturier at that range over Marner at 10.9 at their current levels, but not over the contract lengths when Couts' will surely take him to at least his mid 30s and Marner's will be through the best years of his prime.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Marner because he's 5 years younger

 

[Gurglesons]

Marner. Age and he's one of the few wingers that drives play.

 

[jetsforever]

Give me Marner

 

[ole ole]

consider age, cap, ability , who do you take now and going forward?

I f we had the cap room...easily Marner.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

75% of the time with these, “consider the cap hit” is just a handicap placed on the player who’s more talented and effective.

I put the cap hit to show that even for 6 mil more this is Marner

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[GingerJesus28]

Couturier until he gets a 10M contract lol

 

[Connor McConnor]

Kopitar vs. Couturier is more interesting.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Marner by a bit. He’s overpaid but he’s still a darn good offensive player.

 

[Big Empty]

Couturier is up for a new deal next summer. He's gonna get paid too.

Give me Marner here.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Well the NHL does have a salary cap so it's not wrong to consider it's implications when looking at different players.

The other two factors mentioned in the OP, are in Marners favour.