Mike8
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Ask Edmonton how that's working out.
Seems to me EDM has more depth than it has 75+ centers, since it has none of the latter.
Ask Edmonton how that's working out.
60-70 points with the carolina hurricanes is probably 80-90 points on an above average/decent team
I agree. You don't give up superstar players, you build around them.
That being said, Staal isn't going to be there for when Carolina contends for their next cup. They could try to do something with him and rebuild. Problem is that the fan base is small already and if you trade him away...
people said that about Rick Nash for years "oh 70 points with the jackets is worth like 100 with any other team", that's garbage
was over PPG in 12/13, has been below the 70 pts mark only once (outside his rookie year) in his whole career, and he's 29 by the way - not closing on 40 or something...
So 53 points in 48 games (lock-out) doesn't count?
He's also a proven playoffs performer (43 in 43).
Would he be better if he was playing somewhere else? Hard to tell, but one can suspect he's not giving everything he got on every shifts while playing for a lottery team.
Came from Darren Dreger who suppose to be fairly reliable. He said Leafs tried to get Staal over the summer. He did say it was a big "if" he becomes available. So, does sound like he is splicing together things.
Canes do fall out of it I can imagine they be interested in McDavid. Probably not a Gretzky or Lemieux caliber but say a Lafleur or Crosby type. With Staal doubt they be bad enough to get him.
Seems to me EDM has more depth than it has 75+ centers, since it has none of the latter.
RNH can be a PPG player in this league. He was almost one in his rookie season.
Sure. And since then he's put up 80 points in 120 games. Having the potential to do something is different than doing it. If he was actually scoring at a 75-point clip, the Oilers would be better.
Regardless, the point was that 75-point centremen are infinitely more valuable than depth. The Oilers' bad management doesn't factor into this point.
A superstar player can't overcome a bad team. Lemieux couldn't do it. Yzerman couldn't do it. Neither could Sakic.Ask Edmonton how that's working out.
Keep in mind the foundation of my arguments were that superstars win cups. If you can get them outside the draft the way Pronger, Thornton, Chara or Vanek were... then sure go get them. It can be done.Turn arounds in this league can be pretty quick. I know you're an advocate (to put it mildly) of building through the draft, but that's not a pre-requisite for contention.
The Canes have some good foundation pieces to build a good team. Some shrewd management can make use of those pieces, good cap space, and being a 'non contention threat' to acquire a few more foundation pieces then build up the depth thereafter. Seguin, Spezza, Kessel, Parise, Suter, Burns, Nash, JVR, Ehrhoff, Stastny, Pominville, Neal, Voracek, Carter, Vanek, Kesler, Campbell are all front line talents that have been moved over the last few years. That's a fair amount of top line talent. It's tough if you're a contender, or otherwise pressed to the cap, to obtain any of those players. That rules out the vast majority of clubs.
Bubble teams not pressed to the cap, or bottom dwellers are in prime positions to pick up those players. In fact, 13 of those 17 players went to bubble clubs/bottom dwellers.
Carolina picks up two players that are front line talents (not necessarily marquee players, or stars, or catalysts, but high end talent that can be first line) -- and they're suddenly pretty solid. Add in some smart moves to get the right depth players, and they're good to go to contend. Sure, I'm simplifying it, but smart management teams can take a core like Carolina's and turn it into a contender in the East, IMO.
You both mention the lockout year as being a PPG. And no, I don't count a half a season as counting.
Besides that he was a consistent 70 goal scorer until last year when he barely broke 60 pts. He's not getting any younger and again, he has a lot of hard miles on him as he's been in the league for 11 years already.
All I'm saying is that's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't been relevant for a few years now and has his best years behind him. Very few players cam all of a sudden flip a switch and be better than they were. If your going to get a 60-70 point guy at $8M, I wouldn't break the bank. Frankly, I think that's something Galchenyuk can do for us in a couple of years for a lot less and a lot longer period of time.
not saying we should get him... but come on now, the guy is TWENTY NINE years old, and had ONE season below 70 points... ONE.
Well, Yzerman's 160 points didn't do anything for those horrible Wing teams either. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say here.Hall's 80 points did not make them a better club, nor did Eberle's 70+ point season. That's the gist of what I was getting at.
Hall's 80 points did not make them a better club, nor did Eberle's 70+ point season. That's the gist of what I was getting at.
not saying we should get him... but come on now, the guy is TWENTY NINE years old, and had ONE season below 70 points... ONE.
I don't think he said Canes were shopping him around, he said Leafs inquired about Staal and would have liked to make an offer. And that did happen.Yes he's the idiot I'm referring to. You know what a real journalist ( Pierre Lebrun ) did after that? He actually called the Hurricanes front office to ask them about it and they pretty much said there was no way Staal was on the market. So please stop giving Dreger the attention he's whoring for. The guy is almost on par with Eklund to me nowadays.
If Staal would waive his NTC to come here then you try to make it happen without giving up your top 4, Chucky, Pac, Subban, Price.
I hope not.
If we need someone it is Jumbo Joe.
Not Staal.