Cont'd - NHL makes 12-year/$5.2 billion Canadian TV deal w/ Sportsnet, CBC, TSN out

[Hollywood Burrows]

You should not - in BC much superior to what Shaw has offered.

I'm not sure that's a widely held view, at all. YMMV, I think.

At least in internet speeds Shaw is much faster than Telus (now up to 250 megabits is most of western canada, Telus is still beta testing their 50 meg connections)

Just for reference, Shaw's basic package is now 3990 a month, includes tsn/sportsnet/sportsnet1 in HD (but not TSN2 or sportsnet 360,which are part of a 10 dollar theme pack that includes sportsnet west and ontario) and comes with a free HD receiver. That's a month-to-month service, no contract, etc. The promo offer you get along with this would vary depending on the time of year, usually a 3 or 6 month reduced rate and free hardware rentals.

 

[saffronleaf]

There is no mention to how much promo time they will actually receive. The entire production for that time slot is at the mercy of Rogers and we have no idea how it will pan out going forward. What if they receive one commercial slot per break, or per period? Is it then ok for Rogers to fill the rest with advertisement revenue and utilize the public broadcasting stations prime time slot for their own revenue?

Where does it end? Honestly, I get how people can look at this and say "they're getting it for free!" and you could be right, but the fact that revenue from a crown corporations product is going to a private enterprise just doesn't sit right with me.

Yes. This is actually worse than CBC dying honorably. Now they're pimping out a public institution to a corporation -- one of the worst corporations at that.

 

[saffronleaf]

You are continuing to forget that the CBC is receiving the right to air their promotional ads for their programming. This is not giving anything for free.

Being able to promote their craptastic line up of mediocre shows, the CBC is in fact receiving millions of dollars in promotional spots, for free.

With absolutely no risk.

You have to realize that:

1. In the current regime, CBC is advertising their crappy programs heavily in HNiC; who knows to what extent Rogers will allow CBC to advertise their crappy programs in the new regime.

2. In the current regime, CBC gets free promos AND profits from HNiC. These free promos + profits are used to heavily subsidize other CBC programs. In the future regime, they will not get those profits.

Basically, CBC will struggle much more under the new system because they are not going to be making profits ON TOP OF free promo.

The new regime primarily benefits Rogers. To take a cultural institution like HNiC and a public institution like CBC and use it as a mere tool for one of the most monopolistic corporations in Canada is really a national tragedy.

 

[Nihiliste]

You have to realize that:

1. In the current regime, CBC is advertising their crappy programs heavily in HNiC; who knows to what extent Rogers will allow CBC to advertise their crappy programs in the new regime.

2. In the current regime, CBC gets free promos AND profits from HNiC. These free promos + profits are used to heavily subsidize other CBC programs. In the future regime, they will not get those profits.

Basically, CBC will struggle much more under the new system because they are not going to be making profits ON TOP OF free promo.

The new regime primarily benefits Rogers. To take a cultural institution like HNiC and a public institution like CBC and use it as a mere tool for one of the most monopolistic corporations in Canada is really a national tragedy.

They don't get profits from HNIC but they also don't have the majority of the costs anymore which is something. I have to think a big part of this is what Lacroix said; this allows them to keep their sports infrastructure and fulfill their contractual obligations like the Olympics and World Cup and what not. After a few years Rogers will probably take HNIC away and CBC may indeed be finished but we're not there yet, and I'm fine with that happening 4 years from now rather than this upcoming summer.

 

[madhi19]

They don't get profits from HNIC but they also don't have the majority of the costs anymore which is something. I have to think a big part of this is what Lacroix said; this allows them to keep their sports infrastructure and fulfill their contractual obligations like the Olympics and World Cup and what not. After a few years Rogers will probably take HNIC away and CBC may indeed be finished but we're not there yet, and I'm fine with that happening 4 years from now rather than this upcoming summer.

It a face saving gesture whoever running the CBC get to kick that can 4 years down the road. Rogers get to alleviate some of the backlash expected but not all of it obviously.

 

[Wetcoaster]

It a face saving gesture whoever running the CBC get to kick that can 4 years down the road. Rogers get to alleviate some of the backlash expected but not all of it obviously.

Unlike Bell/TSN's face planting gesture?

 

[Mr. Fancy Pants]

They don't get profits from HNIC but they also don't have the majority of the costs anymore which is something. I have to think a big part of this is what Lacroix said; this allows them to keep their sports infrastructure and fulfill their contractual obligations like the Olympics and World Cup and what not. After a few years Rogers will probably take HNIC away and CBC may indeed be finished but we're not there yet, and I'm fine with that happening 4 years from now rather than this upcoming summer.

That's exactly what they want. If HNIC went away right away, there would be a much bigger outcry. Instead Rogers will slowly ease out HNIC and CBC from the picture. Without the NHL, CBC will basically die.

It was kind of hard watching the press conference as the CBC President tried to save face but he knows the writing is on the wall.

 

[hersky77]

It's going to be so sad not seeing hockey on tsn anymore. This leafs pens game is Tsn hockey in a nutshell. I hope sportsnet can get there act together.

 

[saffronleaf]

Nice to see that the same company that has fought tooth and nail to prevent Verizon from competing in Canada now has a stranglehold monopoly on hockey and has killed our public broadcasting service. Not only have they killed it, they are making sure they pimp it out for a few extra dollars before they kill it.

Stay classy, Rogers.

 

[Habsawce]

It's going to be so sad not seeing hockey on tsn anymore. This leafs pens game is Tsn hockey in a nutshell. I hope sportsnet can get there act together.

HockeyCentral has been impossible to listen to that past couple days. There's something to be said for people with tact and respect for their competition. Kypreos and Millard lack this is spades.

 

[theaub]

Nice to see that the same company that has fought tooth and nail to prevent Verizon from competing in Canada now has a stranglehold monopoly on hockey and has killed our public broadcasting service. Not only have they killed it, they are making sure they pimp it out for a few extra dollars before they kill it.

Stay classy, Rogers.

oh boo hoo

Rogers (or Bell for that matter) have no reason to make CBC their charity case.

 

[Melrose Munch]

oh boo hoo

Rogers (or Bell for that matter) have no reason to make CBC their charity case.

And the government does not have to protect Rogers and Bell from verizon.

 

[theaub]

Won't see me arguing against that

 

[madhi19]

HockeyCentral has been impossible to listen to that past couple days. There's something to be said for people with tact and respect for their competition. Kypreos and Millard lack this is spades.

Cut them some slack it not every day you learn that you have a job for the next decade. It normal that some want to take a victory lap. Also they had to eat some crow in the past apparently being the third wheels in the last TV deal was not all that fun.

 

[saffronleaf]

Cut them some slack it not every day you learn that you have a job for the next decade. It normal that some want to take a victory lap. Also they had to eat some crow in the past apparently being the third wheels in the last TV deal was not all that fun.

Well, Sportsnet will remain a middle school quality production with Kypreos and Millard.

There is no incentive for Sportsnet to improve now that they have a stranglehold monopoly on hockey in Canada. But if they decide to improve, then Kypreos and Millard might find themselves OUT of a job now that Sportsnet is not just showing programming with zero viewership.

 

[saffronleaf]

They don't get profits from HNIC but they also don't have the majority of the costs anymore which is something. I have to think a big part of this is what Lacroix said; this allows them to keep their sports infrastructure and fulfill their contractual obligations like the Olympics and World Cup and what not. After a few years Rogers will probably take HNIC away and CBC may indeed be finished but we're not there yet, and I'm fine with that happening 4 years from now rather than this upcoming summer.

Profits = Revenue - Expenses

So if they don't get profits, the fact they don't pay expenses is a meaningless and redundant thing to say. They've simply been shut out of hockey, and soon from broadcasting altogether.

 

[Ringmaster]

Umm if there's more than one competitor it's not a monopoly.

then why can't Shaw and Rogers compete???????????????/

 

[madhi19]

Well, Sportsnet will remain a middle school quality production with Kypreos and Millard.

There is no incentive for Sportsnet to improve now that they have a stranglehold monopoly on hockey in Canada. But if they decide to improve, then Kypreos and Millard might find themselves OUT of a job now that Sportsnet is not just showing programming with zero viewership.

They will improve just look at RDS it was amateur hour (Crap game sound, late to go HD...) for a better part of their first deal with the Habs but they eventually cleaned their act. A bit too late but they did. Sporstnet right now is mile better then where RDS was when they first got the Habs. With way more games they will have to hire more peoples and since Sporstnet is now the only game in town they get to pick the cream and leave the dead wood with TSN/CBC. Same for TVA sports really.

Profits = Revenue - Expenses

So if they don't get profits, the fact they don't pay expenses is a meaningless and redundant thing to say. They've simply been shut out of hockey, and soon from broadcasting altogether.

It not that simple CBC also don't have to spend anything to replace that 6 to 8 hours of content every Saturday night for the next four years. The cost of HNIC was already borderline with the revenue stream they got out of it in the previous deal. This deal is just in a totally different league they just could not keep up.

 

[The CyNick]

Nice to see that the same company that has fought tooth and nail to prevent Verizon from competing in Canada now has a stranglehold monopoly on hockey and has killed our public broadcasting service. Not only have they killed it, they are making sure they pimp it out for a few extra dollars before they kill it.

Stay classy, Rogers.

Moronic.

Bell was doing the same thing when Verizon was sniffing around, and they would have been happy to take all the NHL broadcast rights.

Boooohooo poor CBC that cant survive on their own. I know, lets start a rally for them.

 

[The CyNick]

And the government does not have to protect Rogers and Bell from verizon.

The government was for Verizon coming in. They made it clear they were against Bell/Rogers/Telus position.

 

[FakeKidPoker*]

This hardly kills CBC.

Sure CBCSports as we know it will suffer... but CBC on the whole will be fine.

This also could mean future success in the future with CBC getting even more Olympics and World Cups.

 

[ResilientBeast]

This hardly kills CBC.

Sure CBCSports as we know it will suffer... but CBC on the whole will be fine.

This also could mean future success in the future with CBC getting even more Olympics and World Cups.

Uhmm what?

And once HNIC dies CBC is going to whither and die.

 

[ebox99]

This hardly kills CBC.

Sure CBCSports as we know it will suffer... but CBC on the whole will be fine.

This also could mean future success in the future with CBC getting even more Olympics and World Cups.

CBC should not use public money on Olympics and World Cups. It's too expensive for them. Having CBC bid for those rights only increases the rights fees and the public will pay for it.

If CBC doesn't bid then price could be lowered due to less competition and the public would get to view the events anyway.

I don't see a good argument for CBC bidding for expensive events that will be shown by another station at likely a lower price.

 

[madhi19]

This hardly kills CBC.

Sure CBCSports as we know it will suffer... but CBC on the whole will be fine.

This also could mean future success in the future with CBC getting even more Olympics and World Cups.

It might even be the kick in the pants they need to finally reinvent the damn network. God only know they been coasting on Hockey with little else worth watching.

 

[Melrose Munch]

The government was for Verizon coming in. They made it clear they were against Bell/Rogers/Telus position.

I'm aware of that, it was an example.