Congrats on 700 wins Mike Babcock!

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  1. Blanche Blanche

    Blanche Blanche Torontoooooo

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    I agree. International one side usually has a national skill advantage ( Canada, USA, Northern europe )

    In club format, aka NHL... Your opponents have a different coach countering and adapting to your gameplans and play usage. Weekly, monthly, Annualy... Over the years as your club gets better and better, there becomes a well known weakness to exploit.

    International you have a month to adapt to like 8 teams coaching and plays.

    This is the where the nadir of Babcocks resume starts to be diminished - and everyone following hockey knows, his lack of adaptations and player usage due to a fixed idea on how to run his lines.

    No means is he a bad coach. We can all agree to that. So Congrats to the 700!

    But its neither conspiracy or fiction when we say his idea of how to run the Leafs bench sometimes is baffling and illogical, and his comments are in contradiction to the GMs players preference.

    If Babcock adapts and starts dropping the OCD, we can find success. We havent looked very good lately, but we were 3 players injured and now on a 3 game streak and one VS a very good Vegas Team.

    If our PowerPlay wasnt a stinking turd, we might be up another 2 to 4 points and breathing down Bostons Neck.

    That one is on Babcock.
     
  2. DarkKnight

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    Just for balance, lots of commentary about the 700 wins from Wings fans online, seems a lot miss the ****ing *******. Weird.

    No matter how small your world, 700 wins isn’t an accident.
     
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    Babcock took our Leafs from last overall in the standings after we drafted Matthews to a playoff birth against Washington in the very next season.

    Detroit fans have a valid reason to be disappointed by the loss of Babcock, because I guess they're not liking the coaching change to then rookie and new wave NHL coach Jeff Blashill and now endless non playoff years. While the Leafs were endlessly floundering outside the playoffs for a decade until we got Babs, and now we get 100 point NHL seasons while he piles up the coaching wins. Shoe is on the other foot now.

    Lets just hope our Leafs organization doesn't make the same mistake and remove one of the all time winningest coaches in NHL history, in order to go with a greenhorn new generational thinking Sheldon Keefe with Zero NHL coaching wins to Babs 700 thinking the grass is greener, and we end up with the same ill advised fate Wings fans now have to endure.

    PS. No shortage of Leaf Fans that are dying to go down the same Wings destructive path believing no coaching experience is better then proven success. ;)
     
  4. The CyNick

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    Great to have someone elite behind the bench.
     
  5. DarkKnight

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    I’m old enough to remember when Pat Quinn was a terrible coach than needed to be fired.

    Babcock is a great coach and that’s a separate question to whether or not he’s “lost the room “ now, here.
     
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    Do you know how many playoff games the Leafs played between firing Pat Quinn in 2006 and hiring Mike Babcock in 2015?

    If not for a lockout shortened 48 game 2011-12 season where Leafs snuck in, only to leave Leaf Nations fans with that embarrassing Boston win and Leafs collapse memory in round 1 that still hurts today the answer would be none.

    When Leafs newbie GM JFJ fired Quinn, did you expect 10 non playoff years over the next 11 seasons, which was viewed at the time as intended to making the Leafs future better?

    That was a very bad decade in Leaf history.

    There is a famous saying ...

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    Swapping out an experienced winning coach by a young greenhorn GM has already been tried and failed miserably. Lets just hope for Leafs Nation sake we don't have to go through that ordeal again any time soon. :wg:

    Mike Babcock 700 NHL wins now tops Pat Quinn 684 in comparison as 2 of the all-time top 10 winningest coaches in NHL history, both of whom lead the Leafs to the playoffs regularly, as well as lead Canada to international gold at the Olympics, World Championships, World Cup of Hockey and gold at the World Junior Championships.

    At the time of Quinn's retirement from NHL coaching as of March 2015, he ranked sixth in all-time wins as a coach.

    With the 2010 Olympic win Mike Babcock became the first coach (and only thus far) to earn the International Ice Hockey Federation's Triple Gold Club. In addition to the Olympic gold, Babcock earned a World Championship title coaching Canada in 2004 and a Stanley Cup championship coaching the Detroit Red Wings in 2008.

    PS. Pat Quinn was inducted into the Hockey Hall of fame in 2016, a well deserved recognition for his coaching success and Mike Babcock's current resume of wins and success >> Quinn, and includes a Stanley Cup.
     
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    An experienced coach, even with a billion wins, still isn't a good fit if the players don't like his coaching style or hockey systems.

    All current NHL coaches were rookies with no NHL head coaching experience at one time.

    There is no guarantee that Keefe will become a successful NHL coach immediately. Look no further than Dallas Eakins.
     
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    This is stupid. The wings suck because they were a top team that eventually got old and didn't rebuild when they should have. As much as Babcock sucks, it's not his fault that they didn't do well near the end of his reign. BUT it is Babcock's fault for this very talented team to consistently underperform especially in the playoffs. That's on Babcock and he needs to go.
     
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    Mckay Balanced. As all things should be.

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    I hate our fanbase.

    IF Keefe is named next coach, I give it a couple months before he "sucks" too.

    Nobody can ever be happy. I've been a fan since 1993 and have watched our "fans" demand the heads of Burns, Quinn, Maurice, etc. It never ends.. all of this has happened before and it will happen again.

    On topic now... Congrats to our coach!
     
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    Pat Quinn really deserved a cup. :(
    Shame that things just didn’t turn out. As much as I have begun to hate Babcock I am happy for him. Hope he is motivated to get his next 4 wins. :)
     
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    Teeder Keon Defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders

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    Great points , but your thoughts on the decline in Detroit and timing in their tear down , wind down development and the already to ashes and then picking up the #1 pick AM and other picks then coinciding upswing of the Leafs certainly were and are on different trajectories paths , wouldn’t you say ?
    So they are not comparable as you stated .
    Just to be sure !
     
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    Teeder Keon Defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders

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    I can’t argue with the statistics , but there are some nuanced developments and underlying reasoning that make them up that can be debated ....
     
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    He definitely eats his veggies
     
  14. Teeder Keon

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    Going with a rookie coach would be disastrous just like going with a rookie GM. Should have kept Lou, fired Babcock and hired Quenneville and now hire Gilmour as assistant.

    Or pushed hard after Trotz
     

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