Proposal: Colorado - Tampa Bay

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  1. Cousin Eddie

    Cousin Eddie You Serious Clark?

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    To Tampa Bay.
    Matt Duchene (50% retained)
    Tyson Barrie


    To Colorado.
    Mikhail Sergachev
    Cal Foote
    Ryan Callahan
    Jake Dotchin
    Anthony Cirelli


    I started making this proposal with just Duchene and Barrie for Sergachev and Foote but when I saw it written down I realized it didn't work. We could call Sergachev and Duchene even but Barrie has quite a bit more value than Foote. Plus it wouldn't work cap wise for Tampa. I decided to add Callahan to add some salary back but Callahan has a whole lot of negative value. I added the negative value of Callahan to the difference in value of Barrie and Foote which is why I added Dotchin and Cirelli.

    A lot of grade A futures to Colorado. A whole lot of improvement right now to Tampa Bay.

    P.S. For the sake of this argument let's pretend Callahan would waive to go to Colorado.
     
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    Easy no for Tampa
     
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    This puts TB into serious contender territory while allowing them to get rid of Callahan's 5.8m cap.

    Assuming this works out cap-wise, I don't see why they wouldn't do this.
     
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    Sakic gonna delete Yzerman's number.
     
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    Other way around my dude. Serg and Dotchin is the future of our defense and Duchene, while I am a big fan of his, isn't necessary here with Stamkos, Johnson and Point. Also I'd prefer to see what we have in Cirelli.
     
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    I'm not saying this would benefit Tampa either but with all these Duchene rumors I think it's pretty well established Sakic won't trade Duchene just for futures, let alone adding Barrie to that. Tampa doesn't need Duchene but I'm pretty sure getting Barrie while dumping Callahan in the process would pique Yzerman's interest if the offer came from Colorado.
     
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    Sergachev for Duchene retained yeah, but Barrie doesn't get you the other 4.
     
  8. Cousin Eddie

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    I think he does. Barrie appears to be the exact defenseman Yzerman has been rumored to be chasing.

    I think Barrie for Foote and Cirelli is a fair deal.
    If you add Callahan you need to add a player of Dotchin's caliber to offset the negative value.
     
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    I'm not crazy about the idea of trading Sergachev, but I don't hate it for the next couple of years.
     
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    Remove Call and Dotchin, Cally wouldn't waive and Dotchin makes this less of a win now for them.

    Serg, Foote, 1st, for Duchy/Barrie is closer. Not sure it justifies moving both of them tho and my guess is TB will need to keep one of Serg/Foote.
     
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    Tampa can't make that deal.
     
  12. Cousin Eddie

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    I don't think Sakic accepts a deal without Dotchin/Callahan or something similar. He seems caught up on bringing back at least one household name or proven commodity,
     
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    I wouldn't call Dotchin a household name or proven commodity, after all he's only played 35 NHL games. He has a lot of value though based on those 35 games.
     
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    Helps out TB a lot now but the players they're giving up are going to help them out just as much now and way more in the future so I doubt they do this but it's not a terrible offer I guess
     
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    Don't like this for TB.
     
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    Why is Dotchin getting so over rated? He was a scrub AHLer for a while then played decent on the top pair for 35 games. He is not the first, nor the last to come in and play the spot well, only to show the next year he does not have the talent to do it long term.

    This happens all the time, and the most recent example I can give is Keith Aulie who was the best partner the Leafs had for Phaneuf that one season, and then the next he was garbage.

    I am willing to bet Dotchin is not in any competitive team's top 4 long term.
     
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    That's quite the contradiction. So which is it?
     
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    I think he meant Callahan, who at not even that long ago was a pretty good player.

    I like the proposal overall but it's very cluttered. That's a lot of defensive prospects for Tampa Bay to give up on in one shot, and I was still under the impression that the Len Barrie connection was a factor here.
     
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    Dotchin isn't really proven anyways. Avs could just sign a FA and continue the lost season or grab a waiver guy.

    If Sakic can get Serg, Foote and a 1st out of this Duchy mess I'll be ok. Not a fan of trading Barrie (yet) so my ideal trade doesn't have him. But we will see what happens.

    Would be insane to have Makar, Serg, Foote, Meloche, Timmins, Bigras and more in the pipes. If the Avs can't develop a #1 D from that then fold the franchise.
     
  20. Stamkos Indulgence

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    I'm not a fan of giving that many premium prospects for a position we are set in (center). If we could focus on Barrie, that would be more in line with our needs.
     
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    No. Not trading all of that for a 2/3C (which we have in abundance) and a bottom pairing PP specialist.
     
  22. Cousin Eddie

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    Genius.
     
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    You're selling Duchene short here. A lot.
     
  24. Cousin Eddie

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    He's selling Barrie even shorter. "Bottom pairing PP specialist".

    1st pairing, 2nd pairing, bottom pairing classification is based on ES play since that's the time you actually have to fit into those pairings. Tyson Barrie is an ES monster. Over the last 4 seasons only 7 defenseman in the NHL has scored more ES points than Barrie. Barrie also has less games played than all but one player ahead of him on that list.

    Then on top of that to call him a PP specialist when he has been absolutely horrific on the PP over the course of his career.

    Just because he's a small, offense producing defenseman people assume that's what he is. The truth is that he's the total opposite. Poor PP player, but one of your top two ES pairings.
     
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    Poor PP player on one of the worst PP teams of the last decade. The one season the Avs did decent on the PP Barrie was a good contributor to it. I think he has another gear on the PP when he's not used as the cannon in an umbrella. He and EJ work well together, I kind of wish the Avs would pair them up and give Barrie the left side to help open up ice for his shot (which is accurate, but useless against a wall of meat on a PP).
     

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