Proposal: Colorado - Tampa Bay

[Cousin Eddie]

Poor PP player on one of the worst PP teams of the last decade. The one season the Avs did decent on the PP Barrie was a good contributor to it. I think he has another gear on the PP when he's not used as the cannon in an umbrella. He and EJ work well together, I kind of wish the Avs would pair them up and give Barrie the left side to help open up ice for his shot (which is accurate, but useless against a wall of meat on a PP).

I agree with this. he's been structured to play a very small role on the PP in Colorado without allowing him to use any creativity which is his strength. Funny because he was able to QB the PP for Canada at the WHC terrifically before he got hurt where he lead the tournament in scoring and pp points.

I'm just commenting on the poster who criticized his ES capability while calling him a PP specialist when his NHL career has shown to be the exact opposite of that.

 

[Avs44]

No. Not trading all of that for a 2/3C (which we have in abundance) and a bottom pairing PP specialist.

Your insights on Avs players are consistently among the dumbest hot takes on the board.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

I think he does. Barrie appears to be the exact defenseman Yzerman has been rumored to be chasing.

I think Barrie for Foote and Cirelli is a fair deal.
If you add Callahan you need to add a player of Dotchin's caliber to offset the negative value.

A, B prospects, a top 4 D and Callahan for Barrie? Hard pass.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

No. Not trading all of that for a 2/3C (which we have in abundance) and a bottom pairing PP specialist.

You're quite a bit off.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah sorry don't see Ryan Callahan waiving his NMC, For a rebuilding team in Colorado he's not leaving a possible cup contending team for probably the worst team in the NHL not happening.

 

[AvsGuy]

A, B prospects, a top 4 D and Callahan for Barrie? Hard pass.

Lol which one of these dudes is a top 4 D? Jake "35 NHL games" Dotchin?

Callahan has negative value with his contract, as you're beyond aware of.

 

[CapnZin]

I think he does. Barrie appears to be the exact defenseman Yzerman has been rumored to be chasing.

I think Barrie for Foote and Cirelli is a fair deal.
If you add Callahan you need to add a player of Dotchin's caliber to offset the negative value.

It will create holes though. Callahan, while on a bad contract, isn't a bad player and is good on the 4th line. Plus, trading 3 future NHLers on D for one Dman who's older (not much, but still) doesn't seem to be the right path.

You may be right on value, and I know it's a hypothetical trade, but I think Tampa would say no.

EDIT: giving up 3 future Dmen and only getting 1D in return is what may be off-putting. Although yes it is Duchene and Barrie, I don't think that Tampa would be smart to do this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah so Sakic does Yzerman a favor and retains $3 million on Matt Duchene, While he takes on an injury riddled 32 year old Ryan Callahan for 3 years @$5.8 million even Sakic isn't that crazy.

 

[elmaco]

Sergachev is going to be a sick player, bad for TBL.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Don't listen to Macho. Duchene is easily a 1c and is a very underrated player, Barrie is a #3 dman who gets a bit overrated but is still good.

That doesn't make this a good deal for Bolts though.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Your insights on Avs players are consistently among the dumbest hot takes on the board.

Read my post right above this one. Macho is being crazy right now but that doesn't mean Tampa would ever do this deal.

Think of it this way, would you trade 4 of your top 6 or so prospects (in a consensus good pool) including one who has played at a top-4 level in the NHL and one who you just traded a young stud for to dump a contract of a still useful player, to get a player in a position you don't need, and a dman who is older than the ones you traded?

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Read my post right above this one. Macho is being crazy right now but that doesn't mean Tampa would ever do this deal.

Think of it this way, would you trade 4 of your top 6 or so prospects (in a consensus good pool) including one who has played at a top-4 level in the NHL and one who you just traded a young stud for to dump a contract of a still useful player, to get a player in a position you don't need, and a dman who is older than the ones you traded?

Personally I wouldn't argue with you, just want to add that I don't think the value is that far off it just isn't a good fit with the trade proposal. As you mentioned, it's too much of the TB prospect pool and it includes someone in Dotchin the Bolts are rightfully higher on (even if other teams shouldn't be) and who would be ideal to keep if they just gutted their pool for win-now mode.

Maybe. Just maybe, they move Serg, Foote and someone else (Erne?) and maybe they include a high pick (1st or 2nd). But I doubt if they do all that they'll pull a good young roster player like Dotchin, Point or otherwise also into the deal. Especially after moving Drouin. The Bolts would instantly turn into contenders with Duchy and Barrie and need to remain as stacked as possible for at least two years.

Also, worth noting, it's been said by insiders some GMs view Duchy as a #1 winger. Wouldn't surprise me if Yzerman used him there.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Don't listen to Macho. Duchene is easily a 1c and is a very underrated player, Barrie is a #3 dman who gets a bit overrated but is still good.

That doesn't make this a good deal for Bolts though.

Don't listen to Dom. Duchene is not a 1C, he's a 2C who puts up 5 more points a year than our current 2C Johnson so he isn't needed at all. Barrie while being a good point producing defender which we need but is not worth trading Foote or Cirelli for.

 

[Shootertooter]

This puts TB into serious contender territory while allowing them to get rid of Callahan's 5.8m cap.

Assuming this works out cap-wise, I don't see why they wouldn't do this.

Sakic likely would not make the deal. Callahan is an instant not interested.

 

[chet1926]

It's not super brutal or anything, it just doesn't make sense for Tampa. They're not going to give up both Foote and Sergachev maybe one for the right deal but certainly not both.

I think you pick one or the other and add other pieces from there then a deal could possibly be made.

 

[JoemAvs]

Hell no from this Avs fan...
Avs give up the 2 best players easilyy and get a lot of "hopefully" in return.

Just because Callans name is Foote, does not make him a great fit or a "must-have" for the Avalanche.

But yeah. Avs fans have a love affair with Sergachev and Foote so I get this proposal. I really dislike the proposal but I am not surprised that Avs fans have proposed this. At all.
spGiven that we retain 50 % on Duchene, odds are that Stevie would take it and run given that he wants to contend now probably IMO.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

But yeah. Avs fans have a love affair with Sergachev and Foote so I get this proposal. I hate it beyond belief but I am not surprised.

They'd be our 2nd and 3rd best defensive prospects, so yeah there's some love there on the potential for having a defensive pool that produces someone notable.

 

[cgf]

They'd be our 2nd and 3rd best defensive prospects, so yeah there's some love there on the potential for having a defensive pool that produces someone notable.

Serg would clearly be our 2nd best defensive prospect, but Foote is in that Meloche / Bigras / Timmins tier...and I'd still have Meloche atop that tier.

Remove Call and Dotchin, Cally wouldn't waive and Dotchin makes this less of a win now for them.

Serg, Foote, 1st, for Duchy/Barrie is closer. Not sure it justifies moving both of them tho and my guess is TB will need to keep one of Serg/Foote.

I'd love Serg, but I just don't see Foote as a great target for us when we'd still have EJ | Makar | Meloche | Timmins on the right side. The targets we should be looking for Matt & Barrie before we move for another RHD prospect are: a LHD prospect like Serg; blue chip forward prospect(s); 1st round pick(s); and top 9 forward prospects.

 

[Skip2myBordyloo]

Take Dotchin out and I think it's a fair deal.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

If this were a package offered for anything I'd be interested in how much of it would be needed to move the needle for Pastrnak.

 

[Patagonia]

TB is giving up a lot futures and put them again close to the Cap with the 50% retention, but they have no chance to even try re-signing Duchene without a retention.

Easy no for TB.

 

[Jarey Curry]

Tampa sacrifices future studs for near all star top 6 offense and pp. Sounds good

 

[Deam78]

If I'm Tampa it's an easy no.

 

[Master P]

Easy no from Tampa.

 

[MrClutch86]

Makes absolutely no sense for us, value aside.
No sense at all.