Player Discussion Colin White - C/RW - PART 2

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FunkySeeFunkyDoo

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We really have no way of knowing.

I think what confused people was how Dorion spoke so highly of him in camp.

So many issues with the fanbase are the result of amateur hour when it comes to communications.

Really wish we could have seen that pre-season scrimmage. Or maybe that someone who saw it could chime in on his play in that game. Was it actually different than how he's played since getting in to the lineup?

I'm of the opinion DJ Smith was just playing mind games with him, and sending some kind of "my way or the highway" message to the rest of the team.

But, like you say, we have no way of knowing without having seen his play in camp.
 

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Yeah obviously Bergeron was the sky as he is basically one the best 2 way players to play the game.

The hype to me it is too much, because I'm looking past just the numbers and weighing the variables of how his goals were scored or how he came across some of his points, sure...a point is a point on paper, but it doesn't tell the complete story many of the times (Ex. Dadanov not being the 30 goal player here, because if you watch the highlights, he was getting set up by 2 star players more often than not, same idea with Stone in Whites rookie year that we keep regurgitating. Some players make others better, White doesn't seem make anyone better, he's just there.

I've watched every game of his NHL career, and from reading this forum daily, I know you have too, it's funny how our views can be very different, which is totally fine, because its just our personal opinion. His current "2 line production" is very misleading, his play in general has been better than the previous few years and better than his start of the season. But he's still a passive player that struggles with puck possession in, winning board battles, winning draws, physical play, generating offense (which I feel falls into possession as he isn't the strongest puck handler or pass receiver, kills basic plays). I think that the bottom 6 of a teams lineup is critical of winning championships, I just don't see him being one of those guys you win with personally, because I don't think he's a hard player to play against.

Again, the Bergeron comparison was always stylistic, i don't think anyone thought he had any chance of hitting that height.

I don't really see hype around White, if anything i see people being pessimistic about him. But i guess just like people have different evaluations of a player, people perceive posts on this site through their own lens.

@NyQuil pretty much nailed my view on White. He's a supporting role middle 6 forward, he isn't the guy driving the line but he can contribute pretty much anywhere in the middle 6.
 

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We really have no way of knowing.

I think what confused people was how Dorion spoke so highly of him in camp.

So many issues with the fanbase are the result of amateur hour when it comes to communications.
it wasnt just Dorion, DJ was asked who impressed and he said White ampng others (granted this was a couple days in)
 
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Again, the Bergeron comparison was always stylistic, i don't think anyone thought he had any chance of hitting that height.

I don't really see hype around White, if anything i see people being pessimistic about him. But i guess just like people have different evaluations of a player, people perceive posts on this site through their own lens.

@NyQuil pretty much nailed my view on White. He's a supporting role middle 6 forward, he isn't the guy driving the line but he can contribute pretty much anywhere in the middle 6.

I think Pierre McGuire talking up White as a Bergeron type got people thinking he was something he wasn't. We all know the rhetoric that Pierre can throw out sometimes. Some may have taken it a bit too literally. Or maybe Pierre's evaluation was off. Maybe a bit of both.
 
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I think Pierre McGuire talking up White as a Bergeron type got people thinking he was something he wasn't. We all know the rhetoric that Pierre can throw out sometimes. Some may have taken it a bit too literally. Or maybe Pierre's evaluation was off. Maybe a bit of both.

I may be wrong, but when people say "a poor man's X", it leads to all kinds of misinterpretations.

While Sens fans likely wince at that scouting report which looks a lot like Curtis Lazar’s, the hope was for White to be a poor man’s Patrice Bergeron, or perhaps a rich man’s Brandon Sutter. Despite the hype, he was not seen as the next Jason Spezza by any means.

https://thehockeywriters.com/ottawa-senators-colin-white-development/

Ever since he was drafted, White has been compared to Boston Bruins star center Patrice Bergeron. That’s a high expectation for a young player. While I don’t believe White will ever achieve what Bergeron has, I do believe he could become a very similar player in regards to his defensive play as well as his forecheck. White is the lone restricted free agent (RFA) left to sign for the Senators

https://thehockeywriters.com/senators-white-next-contract-projection/
 
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If White keeps playing hard all over the ice and can contribute 40 or so points for the duration of his contract...It will still be a tad high but I think we could live with it
 

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I am not a White fan and never drank the hype juice. I see a lot of red flags with him and never seen him more than a 3rd line center. The more I see of him, the less I think of his game.

He is living proof of our lack of serious depth at center and how we really need to address it if we ever plan to make deep playoff runs.
 

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I am not a White fan and never drank the hype juice. I see a lot of red flags with him and never seen him more than a 3rd line center. The more I see of him, the less I think of his game.

He is living proof of our lack of serious depth at center and how we really need to address it if we ever plan to make deep playoff runs.
Yeah I can see that,I was thinking he was a top 6 for sure after his season with Stone...But watching him this season I think he could be a very good player for us in a much different role...
 

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Yeah I can see that,I was thinking he was a top 6 for sure after his season with Stone...But watching him this season I think he could be a very good player for us in a much different role...

See him as a 4th line energy line player? Nope..... See him going up against top lines? Nope.....See him as Playmaker on playoff team? Nope.....See him as a Goal Scorer? Nope...... PK Specialist? Nope...... I do not see where he fits in the long-term core of this team. He is a band-aid IMO.

I think the Stone season was factor of Stone making him look better than he actually was. Maybe Stone can advocate the Knights to trade for him....lol....
 

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See him as a 4th line energy line player? Nope..... See him going up against top lines? Nope.....See him as Playmaker on playoff team? Nope.....See him as a Goal Scorer? Nope...... PK Specialist? Nope...... I do not see where he fits in the long-term core of this team. He is a band-aid IMO.

I think the Stone season was factor of Stone making him look better than he actually was. Maybe Stone can advocate the Knights to trade for him....lol....
I do see him here TBH,add in being decent positionally and at faceoffs
 

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Serious question if anyone knows as I don't see Sweatred around here.

Is it because White is not benched and showing he has something to offer or another reason? Not asking for specifics on any other reason but it has been a while now.
 

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If White keeps playing hard all over the ice and can contribute 40 or so points for the duration of his contract...It will still be a tad high but I think we could live with it

Well he’s the 62nd highest paid Center in the league, and his 42 point pace puts him tied for 47th among centres.

Avg NHL salary is $3million. Seems like his contract is already decent value, he just turned 24 and I would only expect him to become a better player over the length of his contract.
 

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Hopefully he keeps it up all year and increases his value.

I'd be fine keeping him for next season, but with Norris looking like he's developing into a nice #2 and Pinto coming through the pipeline, White is going to be expendable sooner rather than later, especially given his 5.125M average salary in the final 4YRs of his deal.

If there's a team willing to give tangible value for White (say a 2nd round pick or more), we'd be smart to take it and utilize his salary to improve the defense.
 

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We really have no way of knowing.

I think what confused people was how Dorion spoke so highly of him in camp.

So many issues with the fanbase are the result of amateur hour when it comes to communications.

Yeah not really. So many issues with the fan base are the result of a certain segment that needs to turn everything into a knock against the manager and coach.

Just today I read people trying to compliment the team play this season while making it in spite of the moves Dorian has made, to go along with some complimenting White’s play while needing to make it in spite of the coaching move to bench him.

We’ll never know isn’t a reasonable thing here. What we know is that he was benched, and then he started to perform better after getting back in the line up. Sure, there could be a host of other potential reasons, but the one we know of is the most likely regardless, so why struggle accepting it and moving on? It’s because many here actually hate the organization so deeply that they can’t simply enjoy it anymore. The need to hate on the front office is most important.

Communication isn’t the problem. Sure it could be better, but mostly the team is just tight lipped now (incidentally something people were calling for during Murray’s years). Things are actually pretty easy to follow along if you have an open mind and don’t consider oneself an expert in all things hockey related. The problem is that when news is released that doesn’t fit hating the coaching and management of the team, some people tend to completely ignore it making it seem as though there is no news.
 

Alf Silfversson

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Better relative to what? Last season?

I really don't know. But if anyone really thinks that the reason Colin White is performing well is because he got benched for Arty, then they are the Nadia Comenaci of mental gymnastics. Let's ignore the fact that the player dominated the World U-18 tournament. Let's forget the 43 points in 37 games as a freshman. The player sure didn't record 41 points in 71 games as a rookie in the NHL.

None of these matter.

Getting benched in favor of some washed up vets is what REALLY made him play well. Not, you know, being a good player all along who struggled with injuries last year while playing against the best players in the world.

It belies belief.
 

OD99

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Last season, and early this season obviously.

He was touted as having had a great off season and looking very good in camp - then benched.

A couple of games, then benched. The communication on this one in particular was very odd.

Sure we can say we don't know what impact the benching had but pretty safe to say that sitting down for a game or 2 can only have so much of an impact.
 
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