Player Discussion Colin White - C/RW - PART 2

[AchtzehnBaby]

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Colin White at eliteprospects.com

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[JungleBeat]

@JT AM da real deal

Was right.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

@JT AM da real deal

Was right.

He will be ok he is a great kid from a solid family ... having slight groin issue ... he can do it all and you will have a solid #2 NHL 2-way centre in 3 years of development ... groin pulls/strains are a very TOUGH injury to recover from FAST... really no need to panic ... Norris will be your #1, White your #2 and L Brown your #4 for many many years to come ... no need to over react ... folks you are gonna have a better team this year than most think ... there is a good chance you outpoint da Oilers who have zero defense and zero tending and you are gonna be a tough out every night so don't get down on yourselves this year ... next 2 years are all about player development not league standings

 

[CorrectOpinion]

He will be ok he is a great kid from a solid family ... having slight groin issue ... he can do it all and you will have a solid #2 NHL 2-way centre in 3 years of development ... groin pulls/strains are a very TOUGH injury to recover from FAST... really no need to panic ... Norris will be your #1, White your #2 and L Brown your #4 for many many years to come ... no need to over react ... folks you are gonna have a better team this year than most think ... there is a good chance you outpoint da Oilers who have zero defense and zero tending and you are gonna be a tough out every night so don't get down on yourselves this year ... next 2 years are all about player development not league standings

We have zero defense!

I sure hope you are right tho!

 

[OD99]

@JT AM da real deal

Was right.

Did I miss a tweet or something? Have they said White has a groin pull or seems a little heavy? I do know for sure Batherson lumbered with his new weight last season.

 

[JungleBeat]

 

[StoicSensFan]

@JT AM da real deal

Was right.

Well yeah, it's in his name. Da real deal.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

This is great as long as it's applied consistently to the over the hill vets we brought in as the season goes on.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

He'll be a cheap buyout at the end of the season. We'll only have to pay 1/3 instead of 2/3.

I don't blame the coach. By all observers he didn't beat out Stepan/Norris/Batherson/Dodovnov/Tierney/Brown. Those aren't impossible expectations for White. If he can't do that at this stage, just move on.

 

[Sweatred]

He'll be a cheap buyout at the end of the season. We'll only have to pay 1/3 instead of 2/3.

I don't blame the coach. By all observers he didn't beat out Stepan/Norris/Batherson/Dodovnov/Tierney/Brown. Those aren't impossible expectations for White. If he can't do that at this stage, just move on.

I agree, this will help the player succeed. It establishes a minimum level of execution he must meet before he’s going to be given ice time. Anything else would be cheating or lying to him.

Sitting isn’t a big deal, if he sits Friday he probably plays Saturday or vice versa. What’s important is the Sens use this chance to develop the asset before they make a decision on a buy out or Seattle protection.

 

[HSF]

dont give up so quick on guys

development is not linear.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

He'll be a cheap buyout at the end of the season. We'll only have to pay 1/3 instead of 2/3.

I don't blame the coach. By all observers he didn't beat out Stepan/Norris/Batherson/Dodovnov/Tierney/Brown. Those aren't impossible expectations for White. If he can't do that at this stage, just move on.

Glad to see the buyout is already being planned

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He'll be a cheap buyout at the end of the season. We'll only have to pay 1/3 instead of 2/3.

I don't blame the coach. By all observers he didn't beat out Stepan/Norris/Batherson/Dodovnov/Tierney/Brown. Those aren't impossible expectations for White. If he can't do that at this stage, just move on.

Which observers?

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Which observers?

The coaches and management who make these decisions.

 

[Sweatred]

The coaches and management who make these decisions.

I thought that was pretty obvious too ...

 

[Bileur]

This is great as long as it's applied consistently to the over the hill vets we brought in as the season goes on.

I agree, I hope DJ follows through.

 

[BankStreetParade]

This is great as long as it's applied consistently to the over the hill vets we brought in as the season goes on.

*relative to the roles they play
That's the key, in my opinion. It's not about overall performance, it's about your performance in the role you're asked to play. If the coach says your focus isn't to generate offense but to be a hard forechecker and to disrupt the other team's offensive gameplan, I don't think it's fair for the fanbase to be upset with the guy if he doesn't produce points.

 

[Icelevel]

Colin,
We are all pulling for you buddy. Looks like you made some good progress in the long off season. Keep the momentum going.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The coaches and management who make these decisions.

Coburn

 

[Sweatred]

*relative to the roles they play
That's the key, in my opinion. It's not about overall performance, it's about your performance in the role you're asked to play. If the coach says your focus isn't to generate offense but to be a hard forechecker and to disrupt the other team's offensive gameplan, I don't think it's fair for the fanbase to be upset with the guy if he doesn't produce points.

This is fair to evaluate any player - but you need to be a pretty effective player no matter what role you play to be worth an AAV of $4.75. Starting next year his average salary for the next four years is $5.125 . The Sens can walk away from that at 1/3 the cost if they think they can find better replacements at less money including the buyout payment. If his development is static this year they most certainly can.

For example players like Duclair at $2 million or Hoffman at $4 plus White’s buyout maybe a better use of that $5.15.

 

[Xspyrit]

This is great as long as it's applied consistently to the over the hill vets we brought in as the season goes on.

IF they really follow their own preaching, how many guys there will be left in the line-up by the end of the season? What happens when players have an "off-night"? What happens when you have already benched so many?

I am starting to think DJ and Dorion are just newbies trying to re-invent the wheel

Of course you want players to give their best and everything but this "balls to the walls, play like your life depended on it" is getting tiresome fast. It's just not realistic in a 82 games season, and even less in a condensed 56 games sprint. That's why having more pure skill could be helpful when it's unrealistic to go balls through the wall all the time. Like I said before, it's a mix, you don't need all your players to play the same way. What's next? They are going to ask the goalies to be more intense?

I'm thinking they are hoping to catch teams off their guard. They watched the Habs in the playoffs and thought, we can also do it!

The coaches and management who make these decisions.

So the same guys that piss away assets like if we were the Tampa Bay Lightning?

Actually, the Lightning don't even do that. Brisebois has been working hard and been extremely patient to lose the less assets possible to fix the crazy cap situation they were in (hard to blame them for having too much talent)

Why is Tampa extremely cautious with every asset and we're not?

 

[Stuzchuk]

Ottawa Senators' Colin White likely a healthy scratch for opener - TSN.ca

WOW healthy scratch for game 1!!

Colin White was the Ottawa Senators’ No. 1 centre in the 2019-20 season opener in Toronto. This year, it appears he’s going to miss the opener as a healthy scratch for the revamped team.

 

[Sweatred]

Nice to hear PD praise White today on the team 1200 that he hasn’t been falling down all over the ice.

I’m looking forward to seeing where his game is. I assume he will play at least one game this weekend.

 

[Clayonator]

Imagine if White sits for Anisimov, the latter scores, and White’s like “f*** yeah Arty, but for f*** sake Arty”.

Not a fan of sitting White for the opener, especially given his work this summer in bulking up, and how his camp has been. Anisimov has been really good apparently though, put the work in this summer also, and shed dead weight. One got lighter, the other heavier. Will be interesting to see how it affects them. If White sits for the first game, he’s likely back in for game two, and I’d expect him to come out flying. Maybe it’ll end up working out.

 

[Sweatred]

Imagine if White sits for Anisimov, the latter scores, and White’s like “f*** yeah Arty, but for f*** sake Arty”.

Not a fan of sitting white for the opener, especially given his work this summer in bulking up, and how his camp has been. Anisimov has been really good apparently though, put the work in this summer also, and shed dead weight. One got lighter, the other heavier. Will be interesting to see how it affects them. If White sits for the first game, he’s likely back in for game two, and I’d expect him to come out flying. Maybe it’ll end up working out.

Arti is a decent player - he was well on his way to his 5th 20+G season in 7 years on limited ice time and opportunity ...