Post-Game Talk: Cole's Plus/Minus: Pens vs. Cats - If you give a moose a muffin

[Ms Maggie]

We still lose because we are in Pittsburgh in January.

Look at it this way: our weather may be dreary but it won't kill you--see wildfires, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, droughts, tsunamis, tornadoes.

 

[Sideline]

I suspect a majority of the people down on Murray when he was struggling were MAF fans.

I had the Fan on a couple months ago and the one host was an admitted MAF fan, and he was going on how Murray is just an avg goalie that basically got hot twice.

People like that continue to ignore that Murray was recalled not because of some unfortunate injury, but he forced his way up through record breaking play in the A.

He was arguably the best goalie prospect in the world before his recall.

The whole got “lucky” thing is tiresome to me.

Murray was objectively pretty bad for a fairly long stretch at the start of the year so I don't mind people saying that he was bad and needed to be better.

However, in a similar point to yours I didn't understand the lack of patience. The city and organization gave Fleury years to work through some pretty awful collapses. Murray, battling injuries, got no rope at all from a large portion of the fanbase.

As long as he stats healthy I'm looking forward to seeing Murray go on another deep run. Maybe 3 Cups will buy him some goodwill.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The last time I saw Crosby that dominant was during the 12-13 season. He’s a step above everyone now and it’s fun to watch. Like you mentioned, it’s really refreshing to see him on top of his game like that in his 30’s. After the « disappointing » season of last year, I thought we’d see the beginning of his downfall, but I was fortunately wrong

But how did he got so great again? Maybe his last playoff run gave him a boost of confidence? Or is it the unbelievable OT goal he scored against Edmonton that sent him back on track ? I don’t know but since then, he scored 48 points in 34 games.

 

[PensandCaps]

Yah...I don't buy that the team has gotten better in front of Murray.

They're playing like the 2017 cup run. Getting outshot and outchanced almost every game.

The defense from the Forwards have been alot better and Petterson has been a huge add. But they're still giving up way way too many high end scoring chances. Murray is just stopping them. The D infront of him is still bad tbh.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yah...I don't buy that the team has gotten better in front of Murray.

They're playing like the 2017 cup run. Getting outshot and outchanced almost every game.

The defense from the Forwards have been alot better and Petterson has been a huge add. But they're still giving up way way too many high end scoring chances. Murray is just stopping them. The D infront of him is still bad tbh.

Difference is most games we are taking an early lead. Much more similar to the 15-16 team than the 17. Go look at our GF versus our GA.

 

[PensandCaps]

Difference is most games we are taking an early lead.

We were doing that too early in the year. We have blew many 2-0 and 3-0 leads. I think 5 or 6.

 

[Peat]

I'd like to see stats for time spent in puck possession in each zone. I feel like we're a lot more likely to lose the puck in the opposition zone trying to create the perfect opportunity than a lot of other teams, who'll instead take a pretty hopeless shot and lose the puck that way. I don't mind getting outshot if that's what's happening and we've got a good share of actual possession.

Point in case - we're below 50% for corsi. Sounds bad. But if you break that down, we've above 50% for High and Medium Danger chances, and at 47.96 for low danger chances. That's okay, that can be a winning strategy.

 

[Gurglesons]

We were doing that too early in the year. We have blew many 2-0 and 3-0 leads. I think 5 or 6.

Yeah, and our goaltending was abysmal.

Our shooting percentage is still below league average and we are blowing teams out.

Since December 1st (Pettersson trade) we have the best GF% at ES. 52 GF and 33 GA. 4th most goals for and 2nd most goals against in that time frame.

Tampa is also 17th in CF. So, I wonder if CF is just becoming outdated as team’s mimic the 15-16 Penguins.

 

[Fogel]

I'd like to see stats for time spent in puck possession in each zone. I feel like we're a lot more likely to lose the puck in the opposition zone trying to create the perfect opportunity than a lot of other teams, who'll instead take a pretty hopeless shot and lose the puck that way. I don't mind getting outshot if that's what's happening and we've got a good share of actual possession.

Point in case - we're below 50% for corsi. Sounds bad. But if you break that down, we've above 50% for High and Medium Danger chances, and at 47.96 for low danger chances. That's okay, that can be a winning strategy.

I doubt that information is in the public, but I'd be shocked if multiple teams don't track that. That would take a lot of man hours as you are combining zone entries and exits (Corey Sznajder/@Shutdownline) and active possession and control (which might be a bit more subjective, what is a 50/50 puck or how do you define a puck that is trapped in the wall where multiple players are digging for it). Is that posession information already tagged in the logs? I think the closest you get are takeaways and giveaways, but they don't cover all the times pucks change possession.

 

[Gurglesons]

I doubt that information is in the public, but I'd be shocked if multiple teams don't track that. That would take a lot of man hours as you are combining zone entries and exits (Corey Sznajder/@Shutdownline) and active possession and control (which might be a bit more subjective, what is a 50/50 puck or how do you define a puck that is trapped in the wall where multiple players are digging for it). Is that posession information already tagged in the logs? I think the closest you get are takeaways and giveaways, but they don't cover all the times pucks change possession.

I’m pretty sure Evolving or Micah’s website has it in terms of subscriptions..

 

[Peat]

I doubt that information is in the public, but I'd be shocked if multiple teams don't track that. That would take a lot of man hours as you are combining zone entries and exits (Corey Sznajder/@Shutdownline) and active possession and control (which might be a bit more subjective, what is a 50/50 puck or how do you define a puck that is trapped in the wall where multiple players are digging for it). Is that posession information already tagged in the logs? I think the closest you get are takeaways and giveaways, but they don't cover all the times pucks change possession.

Absolutely. I'd love to get my hands on the data they have.

 

[IcedCapp]

Welcome back IC!

 

[IcedCapp]

Malkin has some milestones coming.

8 assists to 600 assists
17 goals to 400 goals
25 points to 1000 points

looking forward to celebrating those milestones in 2023

 

[EightyOne]

looking forward to celebrating those milestones in 2023

You're going to keep track of Seattle players that closely?

 

[Gurglesons]

You're going to keep track of Seattle players that closely?

Man, how sad would that be.

 

[IcedCapp]

You're going to keep track of Seattle players that closely?

gonna track him with an Indiana Jones style map as he inches closer and closer to Russia

 

[Tom Hanks]

Per Friedman

Second-angriest coach of the week: Florida’s Bob Boughner. During Tuesday’s 5-1 loss to Pittsburgh, the Panthers gave up shorthanded goals at 3:04 and 8:56 of the second period. Three players on the ice for both — Mike Hoffman, Jonathan Huberdeau and Keith Yandle — didn’t see a shift the rest of the night. Boughner said they were “out to lunch.”

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If you think Murray is playing exactly the same now as he was at the beginning of the season, and his "better numbers" are entirely due to the team playing better, then I have no idea what to tell you.

Never said that.

Oh really?

I don't buy the Murray is back.
The team is back.
Can the team just have a squat and Murray will save the team? The team was playing so terrible, Murray was terrible, it was an onslaught.
I mean, look at the hawks game, Smitty wasn't stellar, the team yucked it up hard. So now Smitty sucks or what? Get what I'm saying here? All the Murr praise is just self aggrandizing ... 'I knew he'd be back' bull ****

The bolded seems to indicate that's exactly what you think. That it's not so much that Murray is playing much better, but that the team is.

 

[heysmilinstrange]

Per Friedman

Second-angriest coach of the week: Florida’s Bob Boughner. During Tuesday’s 5-1 loss to Pittsburgh, the Panthers gave up shorthanded goals at 3:04 and 8:56 of the second period. Three players on the ice for both — Mike Hoffman, Jonathan Huberdeau and Keith Yandle — didn’t see a shift the rest of the night. Boughner said they were “out to lunch.”

I can't tell if this was really smart or really dumb.

 

[vodeni]

It's symbiotic. The team needs a couple saves. The goalie needs the team working well.

When either/or is off, it's a tough game.

Everyone looks like ****. Trade em all.


But.

When both aren't dumpster fires, it's Stanley Cup baby!

....Murray is better than early in the year. He looked like he was about to retire and crawl into a hole and die. His demeanor is back. No doubting that.

there was nothing symbiotic in Matt's performance last few games, we gave up as many shots and dangerous chances as we did when he had a bad stretch, this is all him...

 

[gopens66]

Man, I keep watching that Guentzel to Rust goal. Holy cow that was awesome last night! It made top plays on NHL On the Fly.

 

[Shady Machine]

Man, I keep watching that Guentzel to Rust goal. Holy cow that was awesome last night! It made top plays on NHL On the Fly.

That's a Crosby like play from Jake. Such a smart player and I'm sure watching Sid every day doesn't hurt.

 

[vodeni]

I'd like to see stats for time spent in puck possession in each zone. I feel like we're a lot more likely to lose the puck in the opposition zone trying to create the perfect opportunity than a lot of other teams, who'll instead take a pretty hopeless shot and lose the puck that way. I don't mind getting outshot if that's what's happening and we've got a good share of actual possession.

Point in case - we're below 50% for corsi. Sounds bad. But if you break that down, we've above 50% for High and Medium Danger chances, and at 47.96 for low danger chances. That's okay, that can be a winning strategy.

I dwell on this same subject, We are playing tighter and allowing a lot of periphery shots, this is by design, Sully said just recently that thats what they track and thats how they plan.
Also this is a testimony to the greatness of our stars: Sid, geno, Phil and Letang even when they get outmatched and outcorsi, create chances that some other teams do not. just two last games malking who is generally considered washed up , created at least dozen strong chances whether he missed or Simon missed, hit the cross bar etc...

This will work beautifully as long as Matt keeps playing like he is playing and CDS chips in some solid performances

 

[vodeni]

I doubt that information is in the public, but I'd be shocked if multiple teams don't track that. That would take a lot of man hours as you are combining zone entries and exits (Corey Sznajder/@Shutdownline) and active possession and control (which might be a bit more subjective, what is a 50/50 puck or how do you define a puck that is trapped in the wall where multiple players are digging for it). Is that posession information already tagged in the logs? I think the closest you get are takeaways and giveaways, but they don't cover all the times pucks change possession.

with a naked eye, different lines are doing different way. For example:
Sid's line dominates time of possession, cycle hard but does not produce too many shots, than when the cycle finally breaks they are not doing good job coming back allowing for some chances and shots developing and sometimnes gets pinned down hence their Corsi lately is dropping although Sid looks AS GOOD AND DANGEROUS AND PRODUCTIVE AS EVER
On the other hand Geno's line plays very conservatively, with them there are layers in NZ (probably by design now after that line bled goals in Novemebre and good portion of december) Geno is for the most part F3 and does a lot of defensive work in and around the NZ. They play a lot of counterattacking creating a very health number of dangerous chances and shots. if you look the difference with Corsi and Fenwick, it tells you that Geno's line got rarely blocked since that don't have those full circle attacks with a lot of attempts by d-man. I like the way they are playing now and I think that is kind of geniues if this was truly by design

Third line just does not work, bleeding shots and not creating any shots and killing our Corsi numbers (not that I care)

Fourth line is Ok