Winning Play: Not Just Any Winwhat is this new sytem im a casual fan who literally has no idea what all of you are talking about
It’s a fine statement, it just skirts the issue. No matter how similar NHL systems may be, there’s still an adjustment period that takes place when a new, albeit similar one is put into place.It's something numerous coaches and players have said so I don't see what's so off about such a statement.
Yup and this board did nothing but call for the perpetual inevitable rebuild that never comes... cries of trade Jumbo, trade Patty, Fire PDB, shoot jones into the sun because he was a waste of a 1st round pick in the trade... etc, etc. It's the one thing this place excels at... over reacting like chicken little.It took them like 2.5 months to figure out the Deboer system when he first came in.
It’s a fine statement, it just skirts the issue. No matter how similar NHL systems may be, there’s still an adjustment period that takes place when a new, albeit similar one is put into place.
It's not that simple. Boughner needs players to execute the system, if they're having trouble learning it or playing poorly, there have to be consequences, for obvious reasons. It's also important for the reserves to get into games to help them execute and use the system in game situations.The issue is that there's a balance between patience and making excuses. It's a short season and every game is important and system changes isn't really a good excuse. If you're going to use the adjustment period as a solid excuse then the coaches should probably not cycle a bunch of kids in and out of the lineup for the same reason. That's why I don't buy that.
It's not that simple. Boughner needs players to execute the system, if they're having trouble learning it or playing poorly, there have to be consequences, for obvious reasons. It's also important for the reserves to get into games to help them execute and use the system in game situations.
It's not the simple, even if you say it is. Your opinion about why it's not a valid excuse is not steeped in any kind of insider information. It's a closed-minded approach intimating that you possess the ability to cut through all the bs and strip things down to their core. So you dismissing whatever variables exist to make a definitive statement about what is or is not valid regarding the Sharks and their issues is ridiculous.But but but new system and long layoff. It actually is that simple for both issues. It's simply a noticeable double standard which is why it's a b.s. excuse.
Why not hire Gallant?
because f*** that guy thats whyWhy not hire Gallant?
Why not hire Gallant?
It's not the simple, even if you say it is. Your opinion about why it's not a valid excuse is not steeped in any kind of insider information. It's a closed-minded approach intimating that you possess the ability to cut through all the bs and strip things down to their core. So you dismissing whatever variables exist to make a definitive statement about what is or is not valid regarding the Sharks and their issues is ridiculous.
Only thing I’ll say about the coaching this early is that I was dumbfounded that Labanc didn’t ride the pine for a while after the STL goal the other night.
The fact that he literally saw the puck loose, going towards the net, in the middle of the ice, and decided to turn away from it despite the fact that there was no shark at all in the vicinity or even skating towards it, boggled my mind.
It’s not even that I am upset at Labanc, even though he made the dumb choice, I’m upset that our coaching has not absolutely hammered the idea of being a “puck hound” or however you want to phrase it into the heads of our players.
I don't disagree that looked particularly bad but BB probably would have had to bench half the team for guys making mistakes. Labanc strikes me as a sensitive type that maybe he didn't want to tank his confidence or turn him into a scape goat for a team problem. Just speculation. Other than that I thought Labanc has been pretty engaged and mostly doing the right thing so far this season. Might be better to keep him feeling positive about his game. As for the play in particular, I winder if within the system his role is always to circle out to the point and it was just an incorrect reaction. I feel like lot's of Labanc errors are of the brainfart variety instead of just not caring.Only thing I’ll say about the coaching this early is that I was dumbfounded that Labanc didn’t ride the pine for a while after the STL goal the other night.
The fact that he literally saw the puck loose, going towards the net, in the middle of the ice, and decided to turn away from it despite the fact that there was no shark at all in the vicinity or even skating towards it, boggled my mind.
It’s not even that I am upset at Labanc, even though he made the dumb choice, I’m upset that our coaching has not absolutely hammered the idea of being a “puck hound” or however you want to phrase it into the heads of our players.
That sort of passivity has been noticeable to me in other plays and players already this year and the fact that Labanc went completely undisciplined for that shit-tastic play is very worrying to me.
That being said, it’s still early in Boughners time as our head coach, so I will not call for his head over that, but I certainly didn’t like him any more after seeing Labanc out there like a minute later.
I think it was just simply the bolded... At this point I don't think the kid is lazy.It begs the question...what coaching staff doesn't tell their players to hound the puck? The strategy is never going to be "play dispassionately". So, either it is an issue with the player (Labanc is lazy, misread the play, or can't execute as required), the system (Labanc was just executing on a bad system), or the coaching (for, as you say, not being able to hammer the system into the players).
Why do we want pete deboer v1.0? Do people forget that deboer basically tried to copy gallants system and use it on this roster that is already not made for it?
It’s not intended to be personal at all. Unless you mean that your personal opinion differs from mine.Yeah this is projection, buddy but I appreciate your insistence on making it personal.
Why not hire Gallant?
It begs the question...what coaching staff doesn't tell their players to hound the puck? The strategy is never going to be "play dispassionately". So, either it is an issue with the player (Labanc is lazy, misread the play, or can't execute as required), the system (Labanc was just executing on a bad system), or the coaching (for, as you say, not being able to hammer the system into the players).
I don't disagree that looked particularly bad but BB probably would have had to bench half the team for guys making mistakes. Labanc strikes me as a sensitive type that maybe he didn't want to tank his confidence or turn him into a scape goat for a team problem. Just speculation. Other than that I thought Labanc has been pretty engaged and mostly doing the right thing so far this season. Might be better to keep him feeling positive about his game. As for the play in particular, I winder if within the system his role is always to circle out to the point and it was just an incorrect reaction. I feel like lot's of Labanc errors are of the brainfart variety instead of just not caring.
I think it was just simply the bolded... At this point I don't think the kid is lazy.
Except you can't use a one size fits all approach to coaching players. Labanc has been demoted and benched so many times I'm not sure it has the desired effect. My opinion has always been that he isn't that bright so maybe BB is taking a softer touch approach to try and build him up. Again just speculating. It looked bad from the stands but there were other players right there f***ing up their assignments too. They need Labanc to play his best, whatever that is right now to have a chance each night. Might be better to not throw in front of the train 4 games in with a new system.Exactly. One way or another either the Boughner failed to instill that mentality in Labanc, or if he has he did not discipline Labanc for failing HORRIBLY at executing that mentality. That is why I was a bit concerned for our coaching based on the situation.
I agree with you that I do not think Labanc is lazy, and that most likely he misread the situation horribly.
That being said, I do not care if he is sensitive. You F up that bad, you ride the pine for a bit. This was not a run of the mill woopsy, it was a super visible, completely unexplainable f*** up on Labanc's part that lead directly to a goal. That should have been a very easy "teachable" moment for the whole team. You see a loose puck dribbling towards your own goal crease, and skate the hell away from it, you ride the pine.
I think it bothers me a little more than usual because as you said, others have been guilty of similar style plays this year, yet it feels (and I am not on the bench so who knows what was said/done after that play) like there are no consequences whatsoever for that play, which makes me think Boughner does not actually care too much about it. That concerns me
Talking about Timo. Is it coaching or better scouting. Would you rather have Timo or Mikko Rantanen?
Are you satisfied with the coaching or is the problem more that some players (Offensive players like most of all Karlsson, and maybe Burns? etc ) have a style of play that leads to these kind of up and down quality games ...