Coach Discussion: Coaching thread

[Duke749]

Cup winners since 05 lockout (Year coaching)
CAR Laviolette (Y2)
ANH Carlyle (Y2)
DET Babcock (Y3)
PIT Bylsma (In-Season hire)
CHI Quennville (Y2, Y5, Y7)
BOS Julien (Y4)
LAK Sutter (In-Season, Y3)
PIT Sullivan (In-Season, Y2)
WSH Trotz (Y4)
STL Berube (in-season)

somehow Maurice about to finish 7 years with likely moving on from the first round once during his tenure

This is pretty damning to me honestly. Shows proof that all coaches have a rather short shelf life.

 

[lomiller1]

If he was extended, why not announce it? I don't get it.

Management in denial about where the team really is and assumed things would get better when it was clear they would get worse. The deal was probably done before they plummeted in the standings but after they were feeling criticism for poor play. They probably still expected to make the playoffs and thought (incorrectly) they could hold off on the announcement until it was clear they were in the playoffs to avoid a backlash.

 

[DRW204]

This is pretty damning to me honestly. Shows proof that all coaches have a rather short shelf life.

and yet here we are

 

[Duke749]

and yet here we are

On a message board?

 

[DRW204]

On a message board?

yes, questioning our coach's mediocrity over 7 years

 

[GaryPoppins]

Still waiting for someone to identify something that Maurice has our Jets, as a team, really good at. It can't be easy for an NHL coach and their coaching staff to lead an NHL roster to not be really good at something, anything, a single thing.

They're really good at being bad defensively

 

[Neuf]

Cup winners since 05 lockout (Year coaching that team)
CAR Laviolette (Y2)
ANH Carlyle (Y2)
DET Babcock (Y3)
PIT Bylsma (In-Season hire)
CHI Quennville (Y2, Y5, Y7)
BOS Julien (Y4)
LAK Sutter (In-Season, Y3)
PIT Sullivan (In-Season, Y2)
WSH Trotz (Y4)
STL Berube (in-season)

somehow Maurice about to finish 7 years with likely moving on from the first round once during his tenure

Wow that's actually pretty interesting. Thanks for the comparisons

 

[tbcwpg]

The latest advanced stats summary I saw in the Athletic - the Jets aren't as bad as they have been lately but also aren't as good as they were earlier. I think the wording was moving from "horrific" to "generally bad".

 

[lomiller1]

The latest advanced stats summary I saw in the Athletic - the Jets aren't as bad as they have been lately but also aren't as good as they were earlier. I think the wording was moving from "horrific" to "generally bad".

Maybe some improvement on special teams? McCurdy's charts still show us moving the wrong direction at 5v5 over the last 25 games.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Maybe some improvement on special teams? McCurdy's charts still show us moving the wrong direction at 5v5 over the last 25 games.

lol we're so bad it's comical.

 

[DRW204]

Maybe some improvement on special teams? McCurdy's charts still show us moving the wrong direction at 5v5 over the last 25 games.

what do maurice's analytics say though

 

[None]

what do maurice's analytics say though

His magic 8-ball says too much noise, try again later.

 

[tbcwpg]

Maybe some improvement on special teams? McCurdy's charts still show us moving the wrong direction at 5v5 over the last 25 games.

 

[JetsUK]

So the "real" Jets are somewhere between our decent-ish December and our historically terrible January. Is that progress?

Nothing like a system that eschews shot-suppression for shot-encouragement -- especially when other teams eschew the perimeter for the slot. It seems that nothing and no one has a clear sense of what the system is meant to achieve, including the players whose job it is to execute it. How do you model chaos?

 

[surixon]

I wonder if the recent uptick is due to us trailing a lot in games.

 

[Stumbledore]

I am convinced that his extension is already a done deal. Otherwise it would be weird for so many in the media to speculate on that. What a weird thing to speculate on... I have never heard media talking about a coach already being extended. I am pretty sure Friedman and Burke have a source with the Jets that is telling them this.

Agreed.

 

[jepjepjoo]

The latest advanced stats summary I saw in the Athletic - the Jets aren't as bad as they have been lately but also aren't as good as they were earlier. I think the wording was moving from "horrific" to "generally bad".

Since jan1(last 11 games) 5v5:

31st in xGF% (40.87)
31st in hdcf% (34.88)
31st in SV% (88.42)

3 wins. Stats are as bad as always and the only difference is that the goalies aren't bailing them out anymore.

Edit. Special teams goal differential is also better: +5 after jan1 while it was -7 pre jan1.

 

[JetsUK]

Since jan1(last 11 games) 5v5:

31st in xGF% (40.87)
31st in hdcf% (34.88)
31st in SV% (88.42)

3 wins. Stats are as bad as always and the only difference is that the goalies aren't bailing them out anymore.

Edit. Special teams goal differential is also better: +5 after jan1 while it was -7 pre jan1.

Damning indeed, tho I feel like there's been an uptick in protestations of "hard work," "being in the game," "unlucky bounces," "could have gone either ways" and scapegoating of Ehlers/Roslo.

With a week off we're going to see some quicker feet and better play, IMO, and hopefully a few good wins. It'll be interesting to see if there are any refinements in terms of overall systems/structure, given the constraints on practice time during the ASB.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Damning indeed, tho I feel like there's been an uptick in protestations of "hard work," "being in the game," "unlucky bounces," "could have gone either ways" and scapegoating of Ehlers/Roslo.

With a week off we're going to see some quicker feet and better play, IMO, and hopefully a few good wins. It'll be interesting to see if there are any refinements in terms of overall systems/structure, given the constraints on practice time during the ASB.

The only problem with the time off solution, is that every other team has had time off as well.

(Note: the rest of my rant is not related the post I quoted )

I'm finished holding my breath for refinements in our play. We have a very good roster up front and there is no reason in the world for them to playing like crap. None.

How long does it take to fix a PP or defensive structure? I see teams switch within games, and adjust to how their opponent is playing to take advantage and win games. It takes Maurice and the Jets YEARS so far to make changes. It's mind boggling and frustrating.

I'm completely in the 'Done with Maurice' camp now. We are wasting the good years of our core, with no one of their caliber in the pipeline.

I also don't see the point in being happy with getting a high draft pick, because that will be a single player who may take 3 years to develop while we flounder in no man's land.

/rant

 

[JetsFan815]

The Jets have been far off of "league average", even off late. They have bounced back from "13-15 shamelessly tanking Buffalo Sabres" level of bad to "just a typical bottom-5 ish" level bad.

 

[cbcwpg]

No worse time to announce the coach is extended than after a 4 game losing streak.

If they are waiting for a 5 game winning streak to announce Maurice's extension, well that's not happening either.

 

[tbcwpg]

The Jets have been far off of "league average", even off late. They have bounced back from "13-15 shamelessly tanking Buffalo Sabres" level of bad to "just a typical bottom-5 ish" level bad.

Yep, that's what I said. I was just pointing out that the last four games were bad by even Jets standards.

 

[WickedPegJets]

More media speculation(Brian Burke on Tim & Did) that Maurice is being extended.

Definitely not going to renew my season tickets if a piss poor move like this is done.

Perhaps both Gallant and Laviolette turned down Chevy's offer to replace Maurice.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Because it's TNSE and it's none of our business.

The same organization that still hasn't disclosed how much they even paid Maurice on his last contract, nor Chevy for that matter.

Considering how tight walleted Chipman and David Thomson are, Paul Maurice is being paid ashtray money like somewhere around $1.75M to $2.25M per annum.

 

[ffh]

Scotty bowman wasn't getting this team Chevy assembled into the playoffs but maurice should be fired for not getting them in. No one in hockey picked them to make playoffs. Maybe if Chevy did his job and gave him a playoff team to coach he might have been fired already.