Claude Giroux

[The Rage Kage]

Sounds like a lot of hollow arguments and ridiculous speculation to me. Why don't you put together some empirical evidence to support your claim, buster.

The people that argue the validity of secondary assists probably have never actually watched a game of hockey, besides the flashing red light going off. A pass leading to a goal-creating-pass is NEVER EVER the reason a goal is scored, right? Get a clue.

It's a shame that people don't realize a secondary assist is just as valid as the one that was right before the goal. If that first pass wasn't made, then the second pass isn't made and then there might not be a goal.

 

[Protest]

Sounds like a lot of hollow arguments and ridiculous speculation to me. Why don't you put together some empirical evidence to support your claim, buster.

You're officially 63 years old.

 

[The Rage Kage]

You're officially 63 years old.

Or from the fast and the furious

 

[FlyersFan61290]

It's a shame that people don't realize a secondary assist is just as valid as the one that was right before the goal. If that first pass wasn't made, then the second pass isn't made and then there might not be a goal.

Most secondary assists are legit, not all. I made a gif earlier this year of a goal by B Schenn, the primary was from Simmonds and the secondary from Mez. In that scenario, the 2nd assist was very stupid (Schenn touched the pick between Mez and Simmer but because Schenn can't assist on his own goal Mez got the assist).

 

[The Rage Kage]

Most secondary assists are legit, not all. I made a gif earlier this year of a goal by B Schenn, the primary was from Simmonds and the secondary from Mez. In that scenario, the 2nd assist was very stupid (Schenn touched the pick between Mez and Simmer but because Schenn can't assist on his own goal Mez got the assist).

Yes those secondary assists are stupid, they shouldn't count them.

 

[Ryker]

Yes those secondary assists are stupid, they shouldn't count them.

Yeah, agreed. It would be in everyone's interest to put into the rulebook an unambiguous rule such as "only count the secondary assist if it is not stupid".

 

[OzFlyers]

 

[The Rage Kage]

Yeah, agreed. It would be in everyone's interest to put into the rulebook an unambiguous rule such as "only count the secondary assist if it is not stupid".

Not sure if serious or sarcastic. Regardless, in the play he mentioned there should only be one assist

 

[FlyersFan61290]

Yeah, agreed. It would be in everyone's interest to put into the rulebook an unambiguous rule such as "only count the secondary assist if it is not stupid".

Or if he wasn't one of the last two people to touch the puck prior to the goal scorer, he shouldn't get an assist. The sequence of events went Mez -> Schenn -> Simmonds -> Schenn for the goal. That secondary assist shouldn't count. I don't see why there has to be a rule in the rule book, he wasn't one of the last two players to touch the puck.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

You get into gray area if you start making judgment calls on secondary assists. FF's example is weird and I understand what he's saying. But if you start making judgment calls on "quality" of secondary assists, where do you draw the line?

Coburn hit's Giroux from behind his own net at the Flyer bench, wide open, Giroux dangles past 5 skaters and dekes the pants off of the goalie. Judgment call: did Coburn really assist?

 

[Striiker]

You get into gray area if you start making judgment calls on secondary assists. FF's example is weird and I understand what he's saying. But if you start making judgment calls on "quality" of secondary assists, where do you draw the line?

Coburn hit's Giroux from behind his own net at the Flyer bench, wide open, Giroux dangles past 5 skaters and dekes the pants off of the goalie. Judgment call: did Coburn really assist?

Yes.

Why are you guys even worrying about secondary assists...?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yes.

Why are you guys even worrying about secondary assists...?

Because without them Claude would be Rinaldo.

 

[RJ8812*]

I don't understand why some of you guys let trolls get to you

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

Yes.

Why are you guys even worrying about secondary assists...?

I'm not worrying haha I was just talking about how ridiculous it is that people use secondary assists against Giroux, like he's riding the rest of the team's coattails for his points.

 

[Striiker]

Because without them Claude would be Rinaldo.

Of course

Actually he'd probably be worse since at least Rinaldo has leadership traits, heart, and provides energy.

 

[The Rage Kage]

I don't get why people are saying this whole judgement call thing. It's as simple as you have to be one of the last two people to touch the puck before a goal. If a person has a secondary assist on themselves, then there was only one assist. If you follow this rule then it makes secondary assists more valid to the point total.

 

[The Rage Kage]

You get into gray area if you start making judgment calls on secondary assists. FF's example is weird and I understand what he's saying. But if you start making judgment calls on "quality" of secondary assists, where do you draw the line?

Coburn hit's Giroux from behind his own net at the Flyer bench, wide open, Giroux dangles past 5 skaters and dekes the pants off of the goalie. Judgment call: did Coburn really assist?

Yes, because getting into "what ifs" here, you could argue if coburn didn't pass the puck then the goal wouldn't be scored.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

I don't get why people are saying this whole judgement call thing. It's as simple as you have to be one of the last two people to touch the puck before a goal. If a person has a secondary assist on themselves, then there was only one assist. If you follow this rule then it makes secondary assists more valid to the point total.

That was a totally different arugment, I agree.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I bet if you took every secondary assist away from every forward, it barely changes Giroux's ranking. Maybe it even helps him.

 

[Ryker]

Not sure if serious or sarcastic. Regardless, in the play he mentioned there should only be one assist

Oh, totally serious

Or if he wasn't one of the last two people to touch the puck prior to the goal scorer, he shouldn't get an assist. The sequence of events went Mez -> Schenn -> Simmonds -> Schenn for the goal. That secondary assist shouldn't count. I don't see why there has to be a rule in the rule book, he wasn't one of the last two players to touch the puck.

An assist is awarded to the player or players (maximum two) who touches the puck prior to the goal scorer, provided no defender plays or possesses the puck in between.

I can see where you're coming from, and the rule is a bit ambiguous. But did Meszaros touch the puck prior to Schenn without a defender playing or possessing the puck in between? Yes. So I can see why the secondary assist was awarded and is awarded in these cases. From the way secondary assists are awarded, it is then also clear to me that the intent of the rule was to count such plays as assists, so you'd need a new rule if you wanted to prevent this.

Why are you guys even worrying about secondary assists...?

They're bothered by it, because it's Meszaros that got credit for it. It'd be fine if it was Coburn, Timonen, Gustafsson, L. Schenn or MacDonald. Not Gill, though.

 

[Striiker]

I bet if you took every secondary assist away from every forward, it barely changes Giroux's ranking. Maybe it even helps him.

It wouldn't make a difference. This bust was invisible all playoffs and most of his points in both the regular season and playoffs were from that series against the Pens...

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

It wouldn't make a difference. This bust was invisible all playoffs and most of his points in both the regular season and playoffs were from that series against the Pens...

Little known fact: 95% of Giroux's career playoff points came against the Penguins in 2011

 

[Beef Invictus]

Guys, I just noticed something. If you ignore every goal and assist Giroux has racked up in his career, the guy technically hasn't done ANYTHING.

We better trade him for a 7th. Probably have to include our first rounder too.

 

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

Guys, I just noticed something. If you ignore every goal and assist Giroux has racked up in his career, the guy technically hasn't done ANYTHING.

We better trade him for a 7th. Probably have to include our first rounder too.

I've never even thought about that....


If you really take away his career in the QMJHL, he probably doesn't even make it to the NHL if you think about it

 

[Beef Invictus]

I've never even thought about that....


If you really take away his career in the QMJHL, he probably doesn't even make it to the NHL if you think about it

I went through and took away every point Gretzky scored against non-Cup winners, because clearly those teams aren't the best in that year and clearly scoring on them is no big deal.

Using the Giroux Points Discount, he now only has about 250 career points in 20 years. What a horrible player! In 1989 he only had 14 points, not 168 like we believed. Such a Robin.