Confirmed Trade: [CHI/MTL] Andrew Shaw and 2021 7th for 2020 2nd, 2021 3rd, 2020 7th

[Cenzo_]

2nd and 3rd is a good return for an overpriced overly concussed aging deteriorating Shaw

no matter how much you hate the habs, solid deal for them

lol every player is aging, there is no way to get around that one!!

Shaw is 28 in 2 days. Is 28 the new 30 for HF board where players suddenly can't skate anymore?

Deteriorating: Shaw just had a career year, which would have resulted in 61pts in 82 games, doesn't look like he is deteriorating that much

I will agree with you that he is a risk considering his injuries (mostly concussions). But the whole 1 concussion away from retirement is most of the time a major exaggeration. Bergeron and Crosby were supposed to be done about 4-5 years ago due to concussions and they are still top 5 centers today...

 

[danyhabsfan]

2nd and 3rd is a good return for an overpriced overly concussed aging deteriorating Shaw

no matter how much you hate the habs, solid deal for them

3.9M isnt overpriced now.

It was when he signed it.

61 points pace last year.



Tanev got 3.5M and had 29 points last year.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

lol every player is aging, there is no way to get around that one!!

Shaw is 28 in 2 days. Is 28 the new 30 for HF board where players suddenly can't skate anymore?

Deteriorating: Shaw just had a career year, which would have resulted in 61pts in 82 games, doesn't look like he is deteriorating that much

I will agree with you that he is a risk considering his injuries (mostly concussions). But the whole 1 concussion away from retirement is most of the time a major exaggeration. Bergeron and Crosby were supposed to be done about 4-5 years ago due to concussions and they are still top 5 centers today...

28 is the new 58

wanna place a $20 bet that he'll have a shit season this year?

i'm putting his ceiling at 40pts this year, lets do this! legit bet

 

[Captain Mountain]

28 is the new 58

wanna place a $20 bet that he'll have a **** season this year?

i'm putting his ceiling at 40pts this year, lets do this! legit bet

You think 40 point ceiling is bad in the NHL? What?

That's high-end 2nd line production.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

28 is the new 58

wanna place a $20 bet that he'll have a **** season this year?

i'm putting his ceiling at 40pts this year, lets do this! legit bet

I'd be thrilled if he put up 40 pts this season!

 

[Pile]

28 is the new 58

wanna place a $20 bet that he'll have a **** season this year?

i'm putting his ceiling at 40pts this year, lets do this! legit bet

The player in question out paced your entire squad last season, perhaps you have more important things to focus on..

Also 40 points in a 3rd line role, I’d be fine with that.

 

[Tanknation]

Amongst recent, important trades the team made to acquire players there is Jeff Petry (6’3), Shea Weber (6’4), Jonathan Drouin (6’0), Joël Armia (6’4), Brett Kulak (6’2) and Phillip Danault (6’1)

Max Domi is a little bit smaller but I sure wish there was more of him on the team. Then again, 5’10 is pretty average unless you are in the NBA.

So it seem like you’re talking out of your ass.

you know, it's ok to admit it right? I am a huge Hab's fan, but even I can admit our team is tiny.

 

[De Montreal]

you know, it's ok to admit it right? I am a huge Hab's fan, but even I can admit our team is tiny.

It really doesn’t matter. That narrative the fan base and other fan base are trying to push is wrong. Team draft for size, For the best and the worst.

 

[Jeremy2020]

Stan seems to have gone full benning. You never go full benning.

 

[CDN24]

Stan seems to have gone full benning. You never go full benning.

This made me spill my coffee

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Stan seems to have gone full benning. You never go full benning.

Difference is Stan put together a roster that will contend for the division and Dim Jim will be fired next spring after drafting in the lottery again

 

[KingPuckChoo]

members on this board is the reason why i will never retire from this place lol

how easy it is to offend people

 

[CauZuki]

you know, it's ok to admit it right? I am a huge Hab's fan, but even I can admit our team is tiny.

You are incorrect in saying we draft only short players , since 2010 all of our 1st round picks (until Caufield) have been 6'2 or taller. Habs at the NHL level are shorter than average but many of the players added to the team recently aren't short and I just don't agree that we specifically go after short players. Especially when a player like Caufield drops due to concerns about his size , you can't hesitate to take a gamble on elite talent, especially since the Habs don't have the luxury of multiple top 2 overall picks. Habs can make trades to address size if it becomes an issue.

 

[HABSFTW]

Still kinda torn on this trade. Sure we created cap space and got an ok return but lost a lot of sandpaper. Did we think we needed to do this to try and offer sheet Aho to that crap number that we did? Kind of wonder if there was a bit more to this.

 

[ole ole]

Even at 6m per it's an overpayment. We don't really know why he isn't signed yet it could be term not money or the other way around. Who really knows. Maybe his back injury is more serious.

Gardiner at 6 mil >> than Ceci at 4.5. Hell Gardiner at 6 mil > Ceci for free.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I am still confused about this trade.

It seems Bergy cleared cap space in indication of something big.. unless a player/gm turned around on his words at the last second it seems very weird to see the habs trade Shaw for future.

They still have now plenty of cap space and made no significant acquisition.

I somehow think Bergy rolled the dice and failed again.

 

[xNogaitx]

It would not be "pretty close". 1st overall is worth much more.

I think the 1st going back would have to be in the top 3 to have equal value. A 4th overall won't do.

Thus why I said a "top 15 pick".

Now, most teams wouldn't go for it as they would rather hold on to the 1OA. I was merely saying that the potentiality of having 12 selections could be enticing to a team with limited selections in two consecutive drafts.

 

[xNogaitx]

Amongst recent, important trades the team made to acquire players there is Jeff Petry (6’3), Shea Weber (6’4), Jonathan Drouin (6’0), Joël Armia (6’4), Brett Kulak (6’2) and Phillip Danault (6’1)

Max Domi is a little bit smaller but I sure wish there was more of him on the team. Then again, 5’10 is pretty average unless you are in the NBA.

So it seem like you’re talking out of your ass.

To be fair, Drouin is listed as 5'11, and that's likely while on skates.

 

[ColdSteel2]

I am still confused about this trade.

It seems Bergy cleared cap space in indication of something big.. unless a player/gm turned around on his words at the last second it seems very weird to see the habs trade Shaw for future.

They still have now plenty of cap space and made no significant acquisition.

I somehow think Bergy rolled the dice and failed again.

That 2020 2nd is highly valued, bet he pulls a trade off at some point.

 

[xNogaitx]

I am still confused about this trade.

It seems Bergy cleared cap space in indication of something big.. unless a player/gm turned around on his words at the last second it seems very weird to see the habs trade Shaw for future.

They still have now plenty of cap space and made no significant acquisition.

I somehow think Bergy rolled the dice and failed again.

Actually, he cut is loses when he could. It's been rumored that Shaw is maybe a concussion away from LTIR retirement, yet he just had a solid productive season so he got most of the assets he traded away for him back. ( 2 2nds, gets a 2nd and a 3rd back, thus the "cutting his losses").

Also, if you look at the Habs' roster right now, they have 14 forwards under NHL contracts. They still hold the rights to RFA Hudon, another forward, and Poehling may steal a starting spot. Then you have guys like Suzuki and Evans who are expected to push for a spot this year.

So all in all, you are at roughly 18 forwards potentially fighting for a spot, 19 had you included Shaw.

I don't think that Shaw is his last move, I wouldn't be surprised to see a quantity for quality trade incoming at some point where the team takes on more salary in exchange for more cost-controlled assets.

 

[Ciao]

Still kinda torn on this trade. Sure we created cap space and got an ok return but lost a lot of sandpaper. Did we think we needed to do this to try and offer sheet Aho to that crap number that we did? Kind of wonder if there was a bit more to this.

It cleared cap space, opened roster spot and replenished draft picks in case Carolina didn't match the Aho contract.

Very smooth, well thought out move by Bergevin IMO.

And I'm a Leafs fan.

PS Could your guy coax Marner to sign an offer sheet now? I don't really care about the term or AAV -- I only care that the Leafs would then have theplayer or the compensation, and I don't care which.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Habs owned the Hawks here. Overpriced over the hill Shaw.

 

[Runner77]

Habs owned the Hawks here. Overpriced over the hill Shaw.

Not really, if you take into account that the Hawks nabbed DeBrincat with one of picks they got from the Habs when they first traded Shaw.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Not really, if you take into account that the Hawks nabbed DeBrincat with one of picks they got from the Habs when they first traded Shaw.

How is that relevant to this trade?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Can we send the picks back for Saad ?