Proposal: CGY-NYR

Matt Rbr

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To CGY:
RW Mats Zuccarello- 1 yr left, 4.5 mil
LW Chris Kreider- 2 yrs left, 4.625 mil

To NYR:
D TJ Brodie- 2 yrs left, 4.65 mil
LW Sam Bennett- 1 yr left, 1.95 mil (then RFA)


Calgary fills out there top-9 up front and NY gets younger and clears cap space.
 

Alluckks

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lol move along, nothing to see here

I'm not sure which is funnier, the fact that you think this is close in value or the fact that you think this would "fill out your top 9"
 
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CaptainCrunch67

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Krieder doesn't fill a need, Calgary's fine on the left side with Gaudreau and Chucky, no interest in a soon to be free agent.
 

tradenashnow

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To CGY:
RW Mats Zuccarello- 1 yr left, 4.5 mil
LW Chris Kreider- 2 yrs left, 4.625 mil

To NYR:
D TJ Brodie- 2 yrs left, 4.65 mil
LW Sam Bennett- 1 yr left, 1.95 mil (then RFA)


Calgary fills out there top-9 up front and NY gets younger and clears cap space.


Garbage from a NY point of view. Bennett has mostly been a complete bust. Brodie is nothing special.
 

Haatley

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I honestly dont get all this Sam Bennet hype. He is a bust and a bottom 6 player. Just because he went 4th OA that his value is high.

Horrible for the Rangers.

He literally turned 22 five hours ago.
How could he possibly be considered a bust?
 

5cotland

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He literally turned 22 five hours ago.
How could he possibly be considered a bust?
They are liked posts in the Flames / Sabres proposal where Nylander and Bennett were involved and people have labelled Nylander a bust and Flames fans agreed. The guy is 2 years younger. Bennet is a bust.

Bennett has fallen far short from his potential so far and has been far from impressive from a player who went 4th OA.
 

Haatley

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They are liked posts in the Flames / Sabres proposal where Nylander and Bennett were involved and people have labelled Nylander a bust and Flames fans agreed. The guy is 2 years younger. Bennet is a bust.

Bennett has fallen far short from his potential so far and has been far from impressive from a player who went 4th OA.

When Bennett was Nylander's age he scored 4 goals in a game.

He is not a bust. So we will keep him and have our bright future and you guys just do your thing and be a bottom 5 team.
 

pld459666

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To CGY:
RW Mats Zuccarello- 1 yr left, 4.5 mil
LW Chris Kreider- 2 yrs left, 4.625 mil

To NYR:
D TJ Brodie- 2 yrs left, 4.65 mil
LW Sam Bennett- 1 yr left, 1.95 mil (then RFA)


Calgary fills out there top-9 up front and NY gets younger and clears cap space.

Brutal for the Rangers
 

GAGLine

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When Bennett was Nylander's age he scored 4 goals in a game.

He is not a bust. So we will keep him and have our bright future and you guys just do your thing and be a bottom 5 team.

The Rangers have been to the playoffs 11 times in the last 13 years. They've been the the conference finals 3 times and the cup finals once in the last 7 years. Are you sure you want to compare resumes?

Brodie is a good player, but he does nothing for the Rangers. He just turned 28 and he has 2 years left on his deal. He won't be useful to us the next 2 years while we are rebuilding and we have no desire to re-sign a 30 year old player to a long term deal. On top of that, we've got a lot of left-handed defensemen in the pipeline. That isn't a position of need right now.

You can spin Bennett however you want, but the fact of the matter is that he has yet to live up to his draft status. He's not a top 6 player, currently. Maybe that will change, but he isn't a player you are selling high on.

Bottom line, this deal is just really bad for the Rangers.
 

Shootertooter

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When Bennett was Nylander's age he scored 4 goals in a game.

He is not a bust. So we will keep him and have our bright future and you guys just do your thing and be a bottom 5 team.

Don't post angry. It shows your ignorance.

Just going to point out, despite last years terrible showing, the Rangers were the 9th lowest team in the league. Calgary the 12th, congrats on a more successful season.

In the last 9 seasons Calgary has been to the playoffs twice and won a total of 5 games.
During the same period of time the Rangers have made the playoffs 7 times, been to the ECF three times and the Finals once, winning a total of 47 games.

The OP is terrible for NY.

Any discussion for Kreider starts with at least a 1st and a guy like Fox.

I wouldn't call Bennet a bust but he has not lived up to the hype of being a 4OA pick.
He is somewhere around .35ppg.
 

bernmeister

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The Rangers have been to the playoffs 11 times in the last 13 years. They've been the the conference finals 3 times and the cup finals once in the last 7 years. Are you sure you want to compare resumes?

Brodie is a good player, but he does nothing for the Rangers. He just turned 28 and he has 2 years left on his deal. He won't be useful to us the next 2 years while we are rebuilding and we have no desire to re-sign a 30 year old player to a long term deal. On top of that, we've got a lot of left-handed defensemen in the pipeline. That isn't a position of need right now.

You can spin Bennett however you want, but the fact of the matter is that he has yet to live up to his draft status. He's not a top 6 player, currently. Maybe that will change, but he isn't a player you are selling high on.

Bottom line, this deal is just really bad for the Rangers.

Of the several well rendered posts in this thread, this is the best written, IMO.

The 2 cents I add here:
Everyone and anyone is theoretically available at the right price, but Kreider is the least likely to go and will require the most overpayment.

Also, only pieces I am interested in are RDs Fox and Rasmus Andersson, which given you have Hamilton and Harmonic +, you can swing.

But no, not Kreider, and we should still fetch a 1st this yr for Zuc, from Dallas.

Lias Andersson [70A last yr, ready to roll now]
for
Fox [late 1st, not clear he reports/reports to Cal given RD depth] and Rasmus Andersson [2nd rounder]

Rangers should keep Hayes and Chytil

Fair?
Enuf say yes and that's a new thread.
 
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To CGY:
RW Mats Zuccarello- 1 yr left, 4.5 mil
LW Chris Kreider- 2 yrs left, 4.625 mil

To NYR:
D TJ Brodie- 2 yrs left, 4.65 mil
LW Sam Bennett- 1 yr left, 1.95 mil (then RFA)


Calgary fills out there top-9 up front and NY gets younger and clears cap space.

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Lunatik

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They are liked posts in the Flames / Sabres proposal where Nylander and Bennett were involved and people have labelled Nylander a bust and Flames fans agreed. The guy is 2 years younger. Bennet is a bust.

Bennett has fallen far short from his potential so far and has been far from impressive from a player who went 4th OA.
A troll said that and other trolls liked it. Multiple Flames fans also spoke out about how stupid that post was. Also falling sahort of potential and being a bust aren't the same thing. Busts don't carve out NHL careers.
 

DJJones

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They are liked posts in the Flames / Sabres proposal where Nylander and Bennett were involved and people have labelled Nylander a bust and Flames fans agreed. The guy is 2 years younger. Bennet is a bust.

Bennett has fallen far short from his potential so far and has been far from impressive from a player who went 4th OA.

So people are idiots for calling Nylander a bust so you turn around and call Bennett a bust? Do you not see the disconnect there? Anyone that watches him play can see his value quite clearly. He plays a solid two way game and he plays it in an intense was that's fun to watch. He's incredible skilled, there was probably 5 or 6 games this year where he was the best player on either team.

But I get why people get frustrated with him. Because he looks dominant one game and then just disappears the next game. He's absolutely jinxed with scoring, it's been two years straight of Paul Bryon in 2014/15. Like at what point is it not bad luck? But the scoring chances are there so wtf, does his shot just suck? How do you explain the posts? Is his stick blade shorter than average? Why does it always hop over his stick when he has a wide open night?

Also, he takes bad penalties and goes through streaks of trying to do everything himself, to turning around and passing way too much the next game. He plays down to his teammates at times and he doesn't elevate his teammates. Rather he's better at being a support piece.

Like he's by no means a perfect player, but my god when he's on his good days this entire team significantly improves. There was a ten game streak where Bennett - Jankowski -Hathaway(who is an AHLer) we're outplaying Tkachuk and Backlund and even Gaudreau/Monahan at times. And that was the first time we've had a three line team for years. So selling him now when we might finally have a line for him seems crazy. And for a late 1st rounder that won't(if ever) make a difference for three years? Just makes no sense.

He's a 21 year old that missed a year, was rushed into the NHL, and has been stuck on a shitty 3rd line for two years because the Tkachuk is simply better than him. Calling him a bust is just wrong.
 
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Lays

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When Bennett was Nylander's age he scored 4 goals in a game.

He is not a bust. So we will keep him and have our bright future and you guys just do your thing and be a bottom 5 team.
I think it’s pretty safe to say Bennett is a huge disappointment (not a bust, still an NHLer)
OP’s offer is brutal for the Rangers
Also, why try and insult the Rangers? Because someone said Bennett is a bust? He’s not far from it, Rangers a bright future as well, after years of success (yet no cup) Rangers are rebuilding the team because the core got stale/old and it was evident we couldn’t compete anymore, better to realize this sooner than later. Don’t even understand why a Flames fan is trying to insult the Rangers lmao
 

Kranix

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I think it’s pretty safe to say Bennett is a huge disappointment (not a bust, still an NHLer)
OP’s offer is brutal for the Rangers
Also, why try and insult the Rangers? Because someone said Bennett is a bust? He’s not far from it, Rangers a bright future as well, after years of success (yet no cup) Rangers are rebuilding the team because the core got stale/old and it was evident we couldn’t compete anymore, better to realize this sooner than later. Don’t even understand why a Flames fan is trying to insult the Rangers lmao

OP's offer was pitiful. Don't worry about anything in this thread. Just know that though Bennett has disappointed so far, he is on the verge of exploding.
 

Matt Rbr

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Ok the Bennett hate is kind of crazy I didn’t realize how quickly other fan bases like to jump on 22 year olds with a great two-way game. If I switched Bennett with Fox, who really aren’t that far apart in value, would Rangers fans be more interested?

It essentially breaks down to Brodie for Kredier and Fox for Zucc.

Funny that people say Brodie is a #4 d and Kreider is a top line winger when Brodie spent 2 seasons on a successful top-pair and is in his prime whereas Kredier topped 50 points once in his whole career.

And good luck getting a better prospect than fox or even player like Bennett for Zucc. It’s as good if not better a return than a late 1st+ meh prospect that you could get otherwise.
 

VoluntaryDom

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Ok the Bennett hate is kind of crazy I didn’t realize how quickly other fan bases like to jump on 22 year olds with a great two-way game. If I switched Bennett with Fox, who really aren’t that far apart in value, would Rangers fans be more interested?

It essentially breaks down to Brodie for Kredier and Fox for Zucc.

Funny that people say Brodie is a #4 d and Kreider is a top line winger when Brodie spent 2 seasons on a successful top-pair and is in his prime whereas Kredier topped 50 points once in his whole career.

And good luck getting a better prospect than fox or even player like Bennett for Zucc. It’s as good if not better a return than a late 1st+ meh prospect that you could get otherwise.
Brodie is pretty clearly past his prime rn. This season proved that.
 

Matt Rbr

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Putrid for NY. 2 solid top line wingers for a #4 dman and a third liner who’s a bust?
Lol #4 dman for two top line wingers? He would be ur best defenseman if not second best and kreider has scored 50 points once in his career. And zucc is a rental i would prefer bennett a proven top-9 winger to a late first and meh prospect
 

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