Confirmed Signing with Link: [CGY] James Neal (5 years, $5.75M AAV)

[CraigsList]

Rush shots are not the same as odd man rush shots.

Anyways you’ve sidetracked this so far off my original point that I think the Flames would have been better off signing two top 9 type players that fill more roster holes because whoever plays with Johnny and Monny will put up good numbers. Hell Ferland scored over 20 last year. Why pay a ton for Neal and hope he scores 25?

What do you think we did with signing Ryan and Czarnik??? We can't ice 15 players and have 5 lines. Neal is what the Flames needed to be a stopgap for a few years until another RW becomes a top 6 player (excluding Lindholm).

The above post I quoted from you just states that you have not been paying attention to what the Flames are doing.

 

[nabob]

Well odd man rush shots count in total with rush shots, meaning even if Elliott did face the most odd man rush shots per 60 in the league last season. In total he would have faced like 5-15 extra in an entire season than the goalie that faced the least, which still doesn't excuse his overall play when you consider the fact the the Flames did a great job overall in limiting quality and quantity chances.

No what the stat show is that the Flames did the worst job of limiting high quality chances. The chances were teams score the most.

A rush and an odd man rush are not equally dangerous, so to count them as the same is silly.

 

[nabob]

What do you think we did with signing Ryan and Czarnik??? We can't ice 15 players and have 5 lines. Neal is what the Flames needed to be a stopgap for a few years until another RW becomes a top 6 player (excluding Lindholm).

The above post I quoted from you just states that you have not been paying attention to what the Flames are doing.

Czarnik isn’t much more than a fringe player. Why did they sign Neal for so long if they only need him for a couple of years?

 

[nabob]

Rieder is not in the same universe as Neal at all. The Flames signed a top 6 scoring winger, Rieder is a bottom 6 guy. Neal is a guy who out of his 25 goals and 44 points scored 5 pp goals and 9 pp points, so no he doesn't a ton of pp time, and the reason why Rieder would get top 6 time is not because he has top 6 potential, but because the Oilers have a stunning lack of top 6 wingers.

It’s because of his chemistry with Drai. And scoring almost a quarter of your points on the PP means you must get a fair amount of pp time, which Neal does.

 

[Kahvi]

Why did they sign Neal for so long if they only need him for a couple of years?

Because Neal wanted 5 years or more. You really dont know how negotiations and free agency works?

 

[CraigsList]

Czarnik isn’t much more than a fringe player. Why did they sign Neal for so long if they only need him for a couple of years?

... Because if you were Neal, you'd want a contract of 5.75m x 5 rather than just for two years? It's not that hard to understand.

 

[Flair Hay]

Will probably hurt by year 3. But Flames need scoring and this guy can bury his chances. He also sucks to play against lol

 

[nabob]

... Because if you were Neal, you'd want a contract of 5.75m x 5 rather than just for two years? It's not that hard to understand.

No if you’re the Flames you’d want three years instead of five. Not sure how you got that confused.
From what I heard the other offers were for three years. I don’t blame him at all for taking the extra term and extra cash per season.

 

[nabob]

Because Neal wanted 5 years or more. You really dont know how negotiations and free agency works?

Yes you have to offer more term and money for players who would rather be elsewhere. No one else was offering more than three years from what I read.

 

[CraigsList]

No if you’re the Flames you’d want three years instead of five. Not sure how you got that confused.
From what I heard the other offers were for three years. I don’t blame him at all for taking the extra term and extra cash per season.

Source for the three years? Not trying to be a b, I'm just curious. Just want to know, because the other offer that I know of is Vegas with 5x5. Neal went with the extra 750k.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

No what the stat show is that the Flames did the worst job of limiting high quality chances. The chances were teams score the most.

A rush and an odd man rush are not equally dangerous, so to count them as the same is silly.

Again you keep on mentioning the "stat" show that the Flames did the worst job at lmiting high quality chances, yet I can prove it to you that the Flames were top 10 in scoring chance and high danger chance suppression. Even if what you say is true and they allow a little more odd man rushes, when you consider the fact that in 2016-2017 they were top 10 in every suppression metrics, a few more odd man rushes means jack in the grand scheme of things. It wasn't like they allowed 100 more odd man rushes in a season, and if they did, provide evidence instead of just blurting your obvious bias and ignorance.

Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Body Checker]

I am in favor of this future albatross contract as I posted prior to free agency. Every team has them and most teams are paying buyout/retention dollars against their cap. I love this signing. With where we are at with guys like Giordano, Backlund and Gaudreau it is now time to go for it.

 

[Kahvi]

Yes you have to offer more term and money for players who would rather be elsewhere. No one else was offering more than three years from what I read.

You are getting really desperate here. And the Vegas offer was $5M x 5 years IIRC

 

[DJJones]

just page after page of Edmonton fans grasping hey.

And its only July

 

[DFF]

Yes you have to offer more term and money for players who would rather be elsewhere. No one else was offering more than three years from what I read.

LOL...you are still on this and you are not even a Flames fan.

Plenty or sources said he was offered 5x5....yes, I saw that article that his gf denied it then retracted it lol

but whatever make you feel good buddy, Neal is a Flames now. Sleep well

 

[CraigsList]

I've been patiently waiting for nabob's sources.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Why did they sign Neal for so long if they only need him for a couple of years?

For the same reason you guys signed Lucic for 6 years with the thinking he would be good for 4 of them. It's called free agency!!

Hopefully Neal gives the Flames more than one decent season.

 

[nabob]

LOL...you are still on this and you are not even a Flames fan.

Plenty or sources said he was offered 5x5....yes, I saw that article that his gf denied it then retracted it lol

but whatever make you feel good buddy, Neal is a Flames now. Sleep well

This isn’t Calgary puck. Fans of other teams are allowed to comment.

 

[nabob]

For the same reason you guys signed Lucic for 6 years with the thinking he would be good for 4 of them. It's called free agency!!

Hopefully Neal gives the Flames more than one decent season.

I hope he does too.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

hate to admit it, but I think the Flames are a playoff team next year. They badly needed scoring and they got it

 

[DFF]

This isn’t Calgary puck. Fans of other teams are allowed to comment.

Sure I never said you cant

But I mean why spend so much time trashing Neal when you have Lucic

 

[WTFMAN99]

He'll be the new Brouwer for Calgary in like 2-3 years.

Definitely a deeper team though...is Calgary going with Neal or Lindholm on top line RW?

Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Ryan-Lindholm

Good top 9

 

[CraigsList]

He'll be the new Brouwer for Calgary in like 2-3 years.

Definitely a deeper team though...is Calgary going with Neal or Lindholm on top line RW?

Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Ryan-Lindholm

Good top 9

Probably Lindholm on the 1st line. Neal probably plays with Tkachuk and Backlund.

 

[FerklundCGY]

@nabob is quite the jealous Oilers fan, hey? Can't stop smirking at his posts

 

[WTFMAN99]

Probably Lindholm on the 1st line. Neal probably plays with Tkachuk and Backlund.

Interesting. I thought Backlund-Frolik would be tied together.