Post-Game Talk: Carolina @ Senators REFS EDITION
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Nac Mac Feegle
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lol, most awkward celebration ever. Reminds me of that Rangers gif from last season where half the team are hanging onto the boards for dear life so they don't get called for too many men.
And good catch with Philoops. The guy seriously looked like he was angry at the win. Makes you wonder what is going on in his brain.
All season long the Murray / MacLean combo have just refused to ice the best possible lineup.
We essentially have 1 or 2 players in the bottom 6 that even deserve to be in the NHL period.
Greening is absolutely garbage all season long, but he has a contract that he doesn't deserve and will never earn, so he's in the lineup (until very recently, aka too late).
Neil is finished. I know he's a fan favorite and supposedly a leader, but he is done.
Kassian should need a ticket to get into an NHL game. He is about as useless as they come. He doesn't play when he's in the lineup anyway.
Cowen should have been sent to the AHL to get his game together, but again...big contract. Too many people (Bryan Murray) look like idiots if he goes down to Bingo.
Phillips on the #1 PP, 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 wasn't a good idea in 2004, let alone 2014.
Then last night as MAK observed, MacLean makes 2 useless lines instead of just bundling all the crap in one place.
Pageau, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Stone and Da Costa or whatever could have helped since day 1.
Stupidity is why the team is in the position it is now in. It has been grossly mismanaged since game 1.
I saw Kassian try to skate with the puck last night, and you know what it looked like? A rec leaguer. He's that bad, and that's without the scoring chance he killed or the instigator he picked up.
The team has holes, but we should be better than our record indicates. Why be a 2 line team when you could easily be a 3 line team if you just played the right guys in the right roles?
We essentially have 1 or 2 players in the bottom 6 that even deserve to be in the NHL period.
Greening is absolutely garbage all season long, but he has a contract that he doesn't deserve and will never earn, so he's in the lineup (until very recently, aka too late).
Neil is finished. I know he's a fan favorite and supposedly a leader, but he is done.
Kassian should need a ticket to get into an NHL game. He is about as useless as they come. He doesn't play when he's in the lineup anyway.
Cowen should have been sent to the AHL to get his game together, but again...big contract. Too many people (Bryan Murray) look like idiots if he goes down to Bingo.
Phillips on the #1 PP, 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 wasn't a good idea in 2004, let alone 2014.
Then last night as MAK observed, MacLean makes 2 useless lines instead of just bundling all the crap in one place.
Pageau, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Stone and Da Costa or whatever could have helped since day 1.
Stupidity is why the team is in the position it is now in. It has been grossly mismanaged since game 1.
I saw Kassian try to skate with the puck last night, and you know what it looked like? A rec leaguer. He's that bad, and that's without the scoring chance he killed or the instigator he picked up.
The team has holes, but we should be better than our record indicates. Why be a 2 line team when you could easily be a 3 line team if you just played the right guys in the right roles?
I actually agree with you.
We easily could have iced Conacher or Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone all season long, and been better for it.
The reason we appear to be better with Kassian in the line -up is because it forces PM to play the top 2 lines more. (Which also decreases Neil's TOI)
SelleckStache
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Nice to see Zibby play so assertively. Sucks that we play GSN line so much that it limits his ice time, cause it looks like he's MUCH better when he gets a regular shift (I was always the same way). We had a chance once Hoffman established himself to roll 3 strong lines prior to the Ryan departure. A third line of Hoff Zibby Stone would have been great. No need to keep throwing an ineffective Greening out there, he's really been quite useless all year.
I like Condra, but he's been up and down on the PK and hasn't been nearly as effective this year compared to prior years 5 on 5.
Next Year should be:
Mac Turris Ryan
Stone Spezza Hemsky
Hoffman Zibby Lazar
??? Smith Neil
??? needs to be an energy guy that excels on the PK. I like Grant, but there should be a few options not named Greening. I actually think Hoffman could be a pretty good PKer with his quickness, probably Lazar too. I think our special teams with that lineup is pretty good.
I like Condra, but he's been up and down on the PK and hasn't been nearly as effective this year compared to prior years 5 on 5.
Next Year should be:
Mac Turris Ryan
Stone Spezza Hemsky
Hoffman Zibby Lazar
??? Smith Neil
??? needs to be an energy guy that excels on the PK. I like Grant, but there should be a few options not named Greening. I actually think Hoffman could be a pretty good PKer with his quickness, probably Lazar too. I think our special teams with that lineup is pretty good.
Zibanejad and Hemsky generated a boat load of great scoring chances. It was probably the most scoring chances ever generated by one line that I have seen all year. That game they just got really unlucky and passed the puck too much. That will certainly change next game.
What Holmes said is true. The coaching and management decisions took this team out of a top 4/5 finish with these insane line combination and playing time allocations. It is extremely frustrating to think they had all year to get their heads out of their *****, and in the end never did. If they had any sense of reality, last night they could have had three great scoring lines.
Ryan-Spezza-Hemsky
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Michalek (if he's signed at reasonable rate)
Grant-Smith-Neil
Let Lazar dominate in CHL if he does not play next year.
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Michalek (if he's signed at reasonable rate)
Grant-Smith-Neil
Let Lazar dominate in CHL if he does not play next year.
DrunkUncleDenis
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Normally when a player is down and injured, when he gets up even the opposing fans will clap for him. We all just booed. Heavily. That was such a BS call on Gryba.
I completely agree as well. The bottom 2 lines really had nothing going on. I was just waiting for a line change to get Zib's or Turris' line back on, because the other lines did squat.
I will say, though, that Neil is still useful as an energy player, and it was apparent last night. Good 4th liner. But stop the GSN madness in the future, using them as a 3rd line with 15+ minutes. If they went with Condra Smith Neil, I could live with that as a 4th line getting 8-10 minutes a game.
I would agree with you if both Kassian and Neil played on the same line but Maclean for some reason like to split them up so that we have 2 useless lines like last night. Chris Neil got over 13 minutes of ice time last night and that should never happen. We had Pageau with just over 6 min and Condra with just over 8 min who could have been used instead of Neil. Paul Maclean frustrates me to no end with his use of Neil and Phillips.
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yup you are right.....last night should have been like this
McArthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek- Zibanejad - Hemsky
Hoffman - Pageau - Condra
Kassian - Smith - Neil
Smith is not good enough offensively to be played more than 12 min a game and Neil should get no more than 8 min.
PeterSidorkiewicz
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Was sitting in front of what i can only assume is the only Caronlina Hurricanes fan in Canada at the opposite end of the ice in the 300's and even he said wow that was a brutal dive by "Lusty" or some nickname nobody outside of Jiri Tlusty + family has ever heard.
DrunkUncleDenis
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Kind of a random comment to make, isn't it? How have we been whiners this year? If anything, in general we just take the paddling by the refs and ask for another. Even PMac normally just stands there aloof after a poor call.
Just because we eeked out a shootout win last night doesn't mean the team shouldn't be making line alterations for better a performance next game. Nothing in our bottom 6 worked very well last night, what's wrong with critiquing it?
Has anyone else noticed how much better Turris and MacArthur look when Wiercioch - Ceci is the second pairing? The better outlet passes let Turris and co. get through the neutral zone way, way faster and they got a lot more odd man breaks as a result.
God Says No
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TheNewEra
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Greening has been useless this year
Thing with condra and correct me if I'm wrong is that the only reason he should have a spot on this team is because he is supposed to be a pk specialist. Our pk isn't good this year so he doesn't hold too much value and we should try something different
Anybody else notice Chris Phillips first non bad play of the year in overtime where one of our forwards with the puck kind of got tied up near our bench and the puck came loose in which phillips gained the red line and dumped it in and made a change?
I gave a standing ovation for it allthough many people looked at me weird
I gave a standing ovation for it allthough many people looked at me weird
PeterSidorkiewicz
HFWF Tourney Undisputed Champion
Actually, I would absolutely love that rule to be implemented.
Three straight wins, the team is looking enjoyable to watch, Turris seems to step up his game with Spezza gone, Gryba is actually developing pretty well, he looks a lot better than compared to the start of this year. Anderson is back into beastmode, Stone's forechecking was great last night. Pageau had a couple of shifts stealing the puck and keeping it in their zone, and played 4 games in 4 nights.
4pts out with 7 games to go, I think the players are starting to believe they have a shot.
YNWA14
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Smith is actually better offensively than people give him credit for. He just never gets to play with other offensive players. I remember last year he played with Alfredsson for a stretch when Turris was really struggling and he was a point per game during that span IIRC.
