Carey Price opens up on feelings from players and management regarding the PK trade

[Quid Pro Clowe]

+ Subban is Mr.Giveaways. He doesn't block shots and rarely hit.

And Weber was walked around by the Sharks the entire 2nd round. He was brutal.

 

[Nikola Tesla]

It's going to be fun in 2 years time when Weber is nothing more than a slow 3rd pairing PP specialist and PK is scoring 60 points a year.

 

[Phillybean]

Weber is better than Subban and Montreal is a better team with Weber than Subban.

Subban plays a him first game, Weber plays a team game. It's the reason one has been a corner stone of Team Canada and the other one watches in the press box or on his couch.

That said, sometime in the next few years Subban will pass him in terms of being the better hockey player. As a leader though, he'll never come close. It was painfully obvious to me that Montreal lacked leadership last year. Subban was a part of that problem.

 

[TT1]

Ok so give it a year. Toronto and Buffalo are on the upswing while Montreal has been making head-scratching decisions. When you trade a top-5 defenseman in his prime, that team is not immune from criticism from anyone.

same narrative that's been said about Edmonton for the past 10 years, i'll believe it when i see it.

actual NHL players (on our team and around the league, he was rated as being one of the most overrated players this past season by his peers) thought PK was a liability (aswell as coaches/GMs around the league, hence he cant crack TC's roster).. but i should listen to the opinion of HF posters over actual professionals? thanks

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

This is a common opinion with a lot of people nowadays. They want offense but without the risk. It overall leads to a worse team but variance is reduced. The Oilers lost a similar driver in Hall.

 

[aufheben]

same narrative that's been said about Edmonton for the past 10 years, i'll believe it when i see it.

actual NHL players (on our team and around the league, he was rated one of the most overrated players this past season by the players) thought PK was a liability (aswell as coaches/GMs around the league, hence he cant crack TC's roster).. but i should listen to the opinion of HF posters over actual professionals? thanks

FYI this is in fact HFBoards.

Also if you going to rely completely on the opinions of managers maybe you should value particularly those who are running the team that's actually really good. Everytime people appeal to authority with regards to Weber they ignore the fact that a Cup contending team in a brutal division traded him away.

 

[Jigger77]

Why will it be fun? Nashville was clearly better even before the trade. Besides, Subban might outlive his welcome. There had to be some reason why he was traded.

Highly debatable.

 

[NobleSix]

It's going to be fun in 2 years time when Weber is nothing more than a slow 3rd pairing PP specialist and PK is scoring 60 points a year.

Weber will not be a 3rd pairing D in 2 years. Nice try.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I hate this trade and I think history will prove me right. It's been talked ad nauseam on our board so I'll just make this one post.

Shea Weber does a lot of things very well. Big strong guy who can clear the net, hits, plays positionally well. Fantastic shot and he's good on the PP. But he's not in the elite class of player that Subban is. People love the guy because he does all the fundamentals well. But at the end of the day, he doesn't get the puck out or control the puck the way elite players do.

On the flipside, Subban controls the puck and is great at not only getting the puck out of his own zone but at getting it into the offensive zone and keeping it there. THAT's how you win games. His transition game is best in league and people don't understand the defensive value this brings. They are so busy looking for crease clearing and hits that they don't stop to realize that it's better to not have the puck in your own end to begin with. Great trade for Nashville, they robbed Montreal blind.

As for Montreal, they could very well be a better team this year but it won't be because of this trade.

Flame away...

 

[hooverdam]

This trade is such a good reason to never appeal to authority in the NHL, holy crap. This and the Larsen trade.

The conflict of offensive D vs "defensive" D isn't really new or even as simple as all that, but this trade is a good case study.

This is the simple part of it that I don't think people are grasping: if you, as a defenseman, have to rely on blocking shots and making hits to play your game, you are a less effective defenseman than one who makes plays with the puck, even when the play is risky or becomes a giveaway. You don't have as positive an impact on the game as that other defenseman. There's just too much data and too much of the eye test to support this now to deny it. This is why the Penguins won with their group of AHL scrub defensemen. This is why Chicago won with four defensemen. This is why the Kings won and Quick seems elite.

No one is going to win anything in this league without good transition defense. Different team front offices can kick and scream about that all they want but it's reality. And I encourage other teams in the league to load up on the Webers of the world so that Brian "who?" Dumoulin can skate circles around them.

 

[Menzinger]

Price is ever the company man.

Can't blame him though, hard for players to be open about lousy management and coaching - no matter how terrible things get.

 

[glenngineer]

You build a team around your strengths. In this case that strength is to build a wall around Carey Price. Unfortunately, the best way to win isn't the always the most exciting. The Devils did it for a decade. Do I wish we had the team to play like the Oilers of the 80s? Absolutely. But reality is this is what gives this current team the better chance at winning imo.

The Devils also had two guys in Niedermayer and Rafalski that were great PMD. Building a wall with great defensively minded guys is a great strategy but you still need guys able to get the puck up the ice. Who does Montreal have back there that can do this with a pass or with their skating ability?

 

[glenngineer]

I hate this trade and I think history will prove me right. It's been talked ad nauseam on our board so I'll just make this one post.

Shea Weber does a lot of things very well. Big strong guy who can clear the net, hits, plays positionally well. Fantastic shot and he's good on the PP. But he's not in the elite class of player that Subban is. People love the guy because he does all the fundamentals well. But at the end of the day, he doesn't get the puck out or control the puck the way elite players do.

On the flipside, Subban controls the puck and is great at not only getting the puck out of his own zone but at getting it into the offensive zone and keeping it there. THAT's how you win games. His transition game is best in league and people don't understand the defensive value this brings. They are so busy looking for crease clearing and hits that they don't stop to realize that it's better to not have the puck in your own end to begin with. Great trade for Nashville, they robbed Montreal blind.

As for Montreal, they could very well be a better team this year but it won't be because of this trade.

Flame away...

Loved this post and have to add one thing to it. If Subban and Josi are paired together, now you have two of the best PMD in the league on a pairing and what SJ did to Nashville in the playoffs was to smother Josi when he got the puck and it made him less effective. Now if they or any team tries that, Josi can reverse the puck back to Subban and Nashville is still moving the puck up the ice. Pick your poison but a combo of Subban and Josi may turn in to a pairing that we haven't seen in the NHL in a long time.

 

[gorangers0525]

Hopefully a post injury price can handle all the extra pucks coming his way

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Loved this post and have to add one thing to it. If Subban and Josi are paired together, now you have two of the best PMD in the league on a pairing and what SJ did to Nashville in the playoffs was to smother Josi when he got the puck and it made him less effective. Now if they or any team tries that, Josi can reverse the puck back to Subban and Nashville is still moving the puck up the ice. Pick your poison but a combo of Subban and Josi may turn in to a pairing that we haven't seen in the NHL in a long time.

You're going to love this guy. He was head and shoulders the best blueliner in 2013 and arguably the best in 2015. Now that he's not going to be shackled by Therrien (worst coach in the NHL and also it's most conservative) I expect Subban to have a career year. If Rinne can stay healthy Nashville's going to have a great team this year.

 

[Bleedred]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs were a better team this year.

I wouldn't either.

But that will be because they have Price back, rather than a couple of pieces of cardboard in net.

Not because of the absence of Subban.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Uh oh.

[NHL]821056[/NHL]

We need to trade Gaudreau for someone safe, like Brandon Saad.

 

[Riggins]

I don't doubt that PK's personality was really grating on a lot of his teammates. Not everyone gets along with the brash, obnoxious and loud guy.

While the trade was a shocker, maybe Subban did have to be moved to improve team chemistry as a whole. But they really needed to get back more than just Weber. With the nearly four year age difference the Habs should have at least received a 1st rounder too or a significant prospect.

 

[Flair Hay]

Nashville was better than Montreal before the trade and still is after. But I still think this trade helps both teams the next few years.

Weber is the perfect defenseman for how Therrien coaches his teams. His weaknesses were exposed more in Nashville with Trotz gone.

Subban will be awesome in the aggressive run and gun style Laviolette runs. He will probably hit a career high in points.

Like most trades, this should end up a win-win as oppose to a winner and a loser.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Price made a politically correct comment that is similar to the ones he made prior.

Weber fits Therriens so called system better. He didnt take shots at Subban and gave an answer that if you dont have an agenda, is generic as they come.

 

[Vagrant]

The goaltender is probably the last guy you should ask about a flashy offensive defenseman. Who in his situation wouldn't prefer Weber?

 

[strictlyrandy]

The goaltender is probably the last guy you should ask about a flashy offensive defenseman. Who in his situation wouldn't prefer Weber?

Weber hasn't been good at all at suppressing shots the last couple of years though. Where Weber will help is he can still move the puck out of his own zone. Weber is not a good stay at home defenseman. I think he could be very exposed in Montreal. More so than Nashville. Weber hasn't been elite defensively since 2012. His decline has been pretty steady.

He could have a resurgence, but it won't be because of Therrien's so called system.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The goaltender is probably the last guy you should ask about a flashy offensive defenseman. Who in his situation wouldn't prefer Weber?

Montreal doesn't score a lot of goals, so you'd think Price would prefer the guy who tries to generate more offense instead of his team relying on him to win low scoring games.

 

[billybudd]

-Carey Price

http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hocke...y-price-pk-subban-etait-trop-imprevisible.php

First example that came to my mind



I think this is very interesting to hear this. It seems the move was more an organizational health than than one or two people not being fans by the sounds of things.

Edit:


From the article I am going to try and translate the best I can with my French knowledge



"All teams play with a certain structure in place and expect their players to play a certain way, said Price yesterday. With what we want, Weber fits perfectly here"



With Shea, we know exactly what we are getting. He plays well defensively, and is also a threat offensively which everyone is aware of.

I understand what he's saying. There's a time and a place to do certain things and there's a time and a place not to. When PK pulled his Jarkko Ruutu impression against Boston, it drove them nuts and made him into the most important player on the ice. But sometimes he'd just randomly do the same thing against Detroit or Tampa, they'd lose because of it and everybody on the ice would be looking at him like he was nuts.

Still, even with his wild swings, PK Subban's really good and decently younger than Shea Weber. At least they got another #1 D back, which isn't always the case with change of scenery elite player type deals.

 

[JayKing]

Love Price but I think he'll regret saying this as soon as the end of this season