I'm sure the trap (and limited ice time under Hunter) didn't help Ovechkin's production, but the idea that it was the reason for his decline in production has always been totally off the mark. People continue to forget that the team's offensive ineptitude is what precipitated the Boudreau trap in the first place. Ovechkin's confidence took a gigantic hit in Vancouver, and his play started to decline right afterwards. As his production declined, his confidence got even lower, he overthought things, the goals were even fewer, and the cycle continued. I don't know how anyone could look at Ovechkin now and a year ago and not see a huge difference in confidence/attitude/everything.
GDT: Capitals vs. Panthers. 7:30pm. BB&T Center. 4.6.2013
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BrooklynCapsFan
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If the offensive players performed at historic norms on the PP you would have barely noticed a drop in their production. Hunter gets far more blame than he deserves. There's plenty of blame for the players.
edit: also what liberati0n said.
msrulo
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true enough. Dale Hunter being a bum and not speaking to his players, or being a leader in the bench was also a factor. That effected on confidence. BB was a good coach but the Caps needed change. I thought BB's system was also exposed against Tampa when the Caps were swept...
Hunter was mainly to blame for Ovi and the rest of the team confidence though. What I said above.
I think Hunter had a positive effect on the team's confidence, simply because he left no room for wallowing. That doesn't mean he did/could have solved Ovechkin's deeper issues, by any means, but lacking confidence wasn't really an option for the team in general. Under Boudreau, there was a ton of potential for getting and staying down, because Boudreau's confidence swung with the players'. Boudreau fed the players all sorts of confidence, and it probably played a huge part in their success, but when things didn't go right and the belief that he had given them was undermined, there was a ton of room for them to fall. Hunter didn't create that room; he made no apparent attempt to feed them confidence, and they just had to go out and do their jobs.
caps4cup
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I don't understand how anyone could say Hunter didn't have a negative affect on offense/Ovechkin. They played exactly like the Rangers did. They played not to lose and often looked disinterested in scoring. And for the cherry on top, Beagle would get 5 mins more per game than Ovechkin sometimes.
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BrooklynCapsFan
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Ovechkin had 13 PPG and 10 PPA last season. Realistically, he's good for 20 PPG 25 PPA in a season. That would have taken him past a point per game despite playing in a restrictive trap.
The PP was under 17% last season which is just flat unacceptable with the level of high end talent we have.
It's a mixed bag.
Katie Carrera @kcarrera 19m
Clarification: Laich will in fact see Dr. Michael Brunt a groin specialist based out of St. Louis. He did Mike Green’s surgery last year.
I'm betting Laich is done for the season here.
Clarification: Laich will in fact see Dr. Michael Brunt a groin specialist based out of St. Louis. He did Mike Green’s surgery last year.
I'm betting Laich is done for the season here.
It makes sense for them to use him again, since Green's groin has been in such good shape since his surgery.
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Jedgi
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He's done for the year without a doubt IMO. They said it wasn't a groin but it was effecting the groin, which makes it most likely a sports hernia and ends his season.
As much as I would like in the long-term to see Laich shipped out, losing him is a bit of a blow. He was going to be here the rest of the year no matter what and he's a useful player. I just don't think he's a $4.5M player.
I don't know about the specifics of his injury, but was it something that couldn't have happened on a similar play in the NHL? If not, I can't see how the fact that it happened overseas is an issue, and I'm one of the biggest Laich detractors around.
I don't know about the specifics of his injury, but was it something that couldn't have happened on a similar play in the NHL? If not, I can't see how the fact that it happened overseas is an issue, and I'm one of the biggest Laich detractors around.
BiPolar Caps
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As Milhaus pointed out, it has to be a sports hernia. Green attempted to play with his but finally resolved to have the surgery. I think the same thing is occurring with Laich and he just aggravated the injury on Saturday night. The interesting thing is, Green had his surgery in January of last year and came back to play in April, so if Laich had perhaps taken a similar approach (although surgery may have not been warranted for Laich in January) he'd be approaching his return to play here in the next few weeks.
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When Ovi plays like a captain of course there is no debate. He is not an off ice captain type, he is of the on ice variety. He can't be loafing and blowing simple coverage's, making rookie mistakes, and effectively be seen as a leader by the followers.
Four C's and an F. A fine example you set. Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
Four C's and an F. A fine example you set. Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
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Calicaps
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Ovi would've never changed that poor guy's wheel! HE IS A HORRIBLE CAPTAIN!
BiPolar Caps
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OT: I hate you for your avatar.
He's just super trolling with that avatar and that's what the playoff theme should be trolls as the Caps have been doing just that this season and especially of late. Reading the main boards of late about Ovechkin and the Caps has been a treat. Just the last few days you have a mod from another SE team close a thread on Ovechkin because he just scored a hat trick on his team. You have Penguin fans getting irate on the same Ovechkin thread because the league's focus is now on Ovie and not their beloved Crosby who sits in Mario's basement licking his wounds and suggesting that Ovechkin's goals are not quality goals as they came against weaker competition. Finally and in keeping with facing weaker competition you have a Devils fan start a thread about the unfairness and injustice of the league to allow the Caps to make the playoffs as a possible 3rd seed when the Devils at the time had more points and would possibly be a 9th seed and not qualify for the playoffs. That's trolling at its best.
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