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Series Discussion: Capitals vs Islanders
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artilector
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IMO, the writing was on the wall that GMBM was grooming Reirden, and the contract situation was just a convenient way to move on from Trotz. He simply saw that he'd be out in a year, and forced their hand to make a commitment or let him start a new chapter.
If they really saw Trotz as a true Cup-level coach, there's no f***ing way they would've balked at coming to terms with him on a long term contract.
It's you and others that are trying to push a narrative here, I got no stake in this, lol. I was GLAD they moved on from Trotz, I just don't see a need to play the victim card here and act as though the Caps didn't want it to happen. And btw, I'm pretty confident the Caps' players see it exactly like this -- that if the Caps ownership wanted Trotz to stay, he would've stayed.
TheLegendOfPatPeake
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I don’t have an agenda. I’m just tired of revisiting the topic with fans acting like the Caps got rid of him. They wanted him to come back and honor the automatic two year extension that kicked in after winning the cup. Any other narrative is BS.
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Agree about the defense struggling to move the puck up ice. I thought Fehervary was decent at moving the puck.
About Siegenthaler, I like him in the defensive zone, killing penalties and blocking shots but he definitely struggles when it comes to moving the puck.
His game kind of reminds me of Alzner a few years ago.
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You asked why they'd care about playing Trotz. The answer is because he quit on them.
artilector
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Regardless, the original argument here was about how the players look at it, and whether they see it as Trotz quitting on them (hence extra motivation against the Isles). I'd wager good money that the answer to that is a definite "no" -- that they see Trotz pushing for a long term commitment, just like so many of them do using whatever leverage is available, and that the Caps' brass decided to go in a different direction.
artilector
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He would've "quit" if he refused to show up for training camp while under a legal obligation, or if he started to run practices with a bottle of scotch. None of that happened.
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He literally resigned. That's quitting. But I guess you don't think they care that given the choice to stick with them or go coach a division rival, he chose the latter. Ok. I think they do.
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tenken00
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The writing WAS on the wall with Trotz and the Caps. He already told Tortorella in the first round that he was out.
That they kept winning made things really awkward for both sides, and perhaps forced a last minute effort to work something out which fell through.
Edit: actually trying to look for old articles about that Trotz-Tortorella exchange, and found that was just what Elliotte Friedman read from Trotz's lips and it blew up from there. Funny, I thought it was an actual report. Trotz denied it Game 1 against the Pens but who knows what is true. Don't mind me! Carry on!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...crutinized-conversation-with-john-tortorella/
That they kept winning made things really awkward for both sides, and perhaps forced a last minute effort to work something out which fell through.
Edit: actually trying to look for old articles about that Trotz-Tortorella exchange, and found that was just what Elliotte Friedman read from Trotz's lips and it blew up from there. Funny, I thought it was an actual report. Trotz denied it Game 1 against the Pens but who knows what is true. Don't mind me! Carry on!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...crutinized-conversation-with-john-tortorella/
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A potential back-to-back for G6/7 is less than ideal IMO. Not sure an older team can play the attrition game off the bat, particularly with a couple of their own more integral pieces sporting knocks.
This series may hinge on whether NYI takes their foot off the gas and sits back situationally or not. If they do, they're asking for it. If they don't there's a chance they could outpace the Caps. Chances are it'll be a long grind but 74/19 need to be pillars if they're got a run in them.
This series may hinge on whether NYI takes their foot off the gas and sits back situationally or not. If they do, they're asking for it. If they don't there's a chance they could outpace the Caps. Chances are it'll be a long grind but 74/19 need to be pillars if they're got a run in them.
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IMO, from a player perspective -- he left because the Caps didn't want to pay him like a SC coach, that's it. All the other stuff is for lawyers and agents.
If players' contracts allowed similar leverage plays, i.e. forcing your team to extend you or let you go, players would be doing it all the time. They aren't gonna blame Trotz for securing a nice payday that the Caps could've matched but didn't.
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Definitely concerned about the btb if the series goes 7. I'm in for 6, hoping it's the Caps with 4 Ws but have my doubts.
#3 Washington vs. #6 NY Islanders
Wednesday, Aug. 12 - 3 p.m. - NY Islanders at Washington (NBCSN, SN, TVAS)
Friday, Aug. 14 - 8 p.m. - NY Islanders at Washington (NBCSN, FX-CA, TVAS)
Sunday, Aug. 16 - 12 p.m. - Washington at NY Islanders (USA, SN360, TVAS)
Tuesday, Aug. 18 - 8 p.m. - Washington at NY Islanders (NBCSN)
*Thursday, Aug. 20 - TBD - NY Islanders at Washington (TBD)
*Saturday, Aug. 22 - TBD - Washington at NY Islanders (TBD)
*Sunday, Aug. 23 - TBD - NY Islanders at Washington (TBD)
#3 Washington vs. #6 NY Islanders
Wednesday, Aug. 12 - 3 p.m. - NY Islanders at Washington (NBCSN, SN, TVAS)
Friday, Aug. 14 - 8 p.m. - NY Islanders at Washington (NBCSN, FX-CA, TVAS)
Sunday, Aug. 16 - 12 p.m. - Washington at NY Islanders (USA, SN360, TVAS)
Tuesday, Aug. 18 - 8 p.m. - Washington at NY Islanders (NBCSN)
*Thursday, Aug. 20 - TBD - NY Islanders at Washington (TBD)
*Saturday, Aug. 22 - TBD - Washington at NY Islanders (TBD)
*Sunday, Aug. 23 - TBD - NY Islanders at Washington (TBD)
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fwiw every series has a b2b, most of them are between games 3 and 4
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Caps 2-2-0, 14 GF 14 GA, 2/11 PP, 8/9 PK, 31.5 shots for 27.3 shots against, 55% faceoff % vs NYI this year.
If you take away that 5 goal 3rd period they’d be 0-3-0 out scored 13-8 the last 3 matchups.
If you take away that 5 goal 3rd period they’d be 0-3-0 out scored 13-8 the last 3 matchups.
WanderingCapsFan
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April, August, whatever.
It's time.
I'm not confident, but how many of us were in 2018.
Somebody's gonna win 16 games. Why not the Caps?
You only get so many shots..................
It's time.
I'm not confident, but how many of us were in 2018.
Somebody's gonna win 16 games. Why not the Caps?
You only get so many shots..................
The Trotz relationship was more or less over before the Stanley Cup season even started. He wanted a contract extension going into 2017-18 and the Caps said they wanted to wait and see how the season went before committing, which probably left BT a little miffed. Then came all the reports that Trotz was going to get shitcanned after that dreadful road trip in the fall and he was close to being fired again in February before they went on a run at the TDL, which I’m sure didn’t feel great for Barry who probably spent the whole season wondering when the axe was going to drop.
Once he won the Cup he figured he had some leverage to negotiate a long-term contract and not feel like he felt that season again, which is understandable, but it’s also understandable that the Caps wanted him to commit to the clause that his own agent insisted be included in the contract.
Regardless, it was clear there was some frustration from Caps brass towards Barry for wasting the best roster in the NHL two years in a row and getting schooled by other coaches every year in the playoffs (reminder: he had never made it past the second round in two decades prior to the Cup) and it was clear that Barry didn’t feel his contributions were being valued enough, so I doubt there was much appetite from either side to relent from their original negotiating positions. The Caps did Barry a huge solid by letting him walk, and now let us never speak of this nonsense again.
Once he won the Cup he figured he had some leverage to negotiate a long-term contract and not feel like he felt that season again, which is understandable, but it’s also understandable that the Caps wanted him to commit to the clause that his own agent insisted be included in the contract.
Regardless, it was clear there was some frustration from Caps brass towards Barry for wasting the best roster in the NHL two years in a row and getting schooled by other coaches every year in the playoffs (reminder: he had never made it past the second round in two decades prior to the Cup) and it was clear that Barry didn’t feel his contributions were being valued enough, so I doubt there was much appetite from either side to relent from their original negotiating positions. The Caps did Barry a huge solid by letting him walk, and now let us never speak of this nonsense again.
To be fair the round Robin ment nothing outside getting some games under the belt. Hope the win yesterday helped the confidance to go up.
Nothing against the Islanders but The Caps should be able to beat them.
Nothing against the Islanders but The Caps should be able to beat them.
tenken00
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Unfortunately, the fallout between Trotz and the Caps is going to be cropping back up over and over again for the next week or two. Just the nature of the matchup and storyline. And that is definitely also what the media is going to latch on.
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While the Flyers are not. Make our lives a heck of a lot easier if they got knocked off.
HecticGlow
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He quit to the extent he rejected their contract offers, including the automatic option of renewal. In that sense he 'quit' his job, but only to the point of not agreeing to enter into a new obligation to stay on (as opposed to reneging on an existing promise). I haven't seen any reports anywhere that the clause triggered by the Cup win placed Trotz under an obligation or expectation to stay with the team for a further period of time, but rather that it gave him the contractual right to stay on if he wished.
It is clear that neither he, nor the team, considered the terms of that clause to be a fair reflection of his worth at that time, hence they attempted to negotiate a fresh contract, failed to do so, and they moved on. He didn't quit on the players, and he didn't quit in any usual workplace sense. I don't really see how that is any different to a UFA rejecting a contract renewal offer and joining another team, or if Todd Reirden had successfully interviewed for a HC position in a previous season and accepted it. Once Trotz was a free agent he owed no allegiance to the Caps and they know it. Frankly, if they thought they had a better option internally or replacing him was straightforward, they shouldn't be too worried about him coaching a rival team.
There also isn't evidence, I don't believe, that Trotz knew NYI was an option when he left the Caps, where the post I've quoted implies he actively chose to go to a rival instead of staying with the team. His immediate comments were about taking time off and maybe trying his hand at management rather than coaching. If he was expecting to get back into coaching immediately he'd have had no reason to guard his comments, because the more teams interested the higher his salary.
Trotz and GMBM saw things differently, wanted different things, and the Caps ultimately wouldn't give Trotz the coaching staff or money he expected. They parted ways. Not everything needs to be emotive, or about good guys and bad guys like some on here like to pretend. Was it the best decision of Trotz's life, or of the Caps' management? We won't know for a while yet.
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Only Eller had left (Hagelin's baby isn't due until September), and he's currently in the bubble but has to remain quarantined until he's tested negative each of four consecutive days while in the bubble.
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