Salary Cap: Capfriendly has updated 2019-20 figures

[ACC1224]

Am I crazy to think Marner signing a one year deal might make the most sense for everyone?

Yes you may be.

 

[Loosie]

** Based on the new capfriendly listing it appears all this rookie bonus are now off the books with a clean slate for this upcoming season.

This is a big reason why more wasn't brought in during the deadline. Dubas wanted to make sure the bonus were paid off so he didn't have to account for them this year.

 

[4thline]

Getting MM, AJ, KK to a combined 15 million
Trading Kadri for Wallmark+ 1st+
Trading Brown for whatever

Hyman-Tavares-Matthews
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Wallmark-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Gauthier-Moore
Petan

Rielly-xxx
Muzzin-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Holl

3.2 million to fill xxx beside Rielly

 

[SprDaVE]

I still suspect that we'll acquire Miller and run something similar to this:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Moore-Kadri-Kapanen
Marleau-Brooks-Petan

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosén-Liljegren
Borgman

Andersen
Backup

With a combined $5.5M to Kapanen and Johnsson, and $9.5M to Marner... it just barely squeaks through. We should probably try to squeeze down the first number by $1M so we can add a 13th forward for road games.

A pretty damn good lineup I think. The defensive quality is improved quite a bit there, at least in my opinion. I hope it resembles something like that as well, maybe swapping Brooks with Gauthier and Mikheyev likely having a spot somewhere... that's minor though.

Marleau is making this incredibly difficult. I really wish there is a way to get out of that contract. The term of that contract was putrid from Lamoriello.

 

[Mess]

I still suspect that we'll acquire Miller and run something similar to this:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Moore-Kadri-Kapanen
Marleau-Brooks-Petan

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosén-Liljegren
Borgman

Andersen
Backup

With a combined $5.5M to Kapanen and Johnsson, and $9.5M to Marner... it just barely squeaks through. We should probably try to squeeze down the first number by $1M so we can add a 13th forward for road games.

So are you dumping Zaitsev and Brown making a combined $5.6 mil to resign Kapanen and AJ for $5.5 ?

 

[kb]

Roughly $14M with the Horton LTIR relief:

Modest RFA numbers:
$10M Marner
$3.1M Kapanen
$2.9M Johnsson
Total $16M

Over by $2M

Still short 2 to 3 defensemen (and a new backup goalie): $3M to $5M

Over by about $5M to $7M. Need to move at least $6M in contract(s).

One Patrick Marleau.....

 

[Nithoniniel]

So are you dumping Zaitsev and Brown making a combined $5.6 mil to resign Kapanen and AJ for $5.5 ?

Yes. Which should be an obvious choice.

 

[Mess]

Yes. Which should be an obvious choice.

What isn't so obvious is are you just getting rid of players under contract you don't like, in order to make Leafs cap work and sign players you do?

Unloading Zaitsev who has 5 years @ $4.5 mil remaining for futures isn't really all that easy in real life, besides he is Leafs only legitimate RHD that plays in the top 4?

Cap management would be easy if it simply worked like that as then most would just magically remove Marleau.

Dubas is faced with tougher decisions because he can't just pretend players under contract don't exist.

 

[ULF_55]

Until Marner signs everything is up in the air.

Might actually be better if he holds out for the year.

 

[Mess]

Until Marner signs everything is up in the air.

Might actually be better if he holds out for the year.

What is better for the Leafs, Marner getting $10-11 mil on a 5-6 year deal or sitting out the season for cap reasons?

If the answer is none of the above then what is option #3?

 

[Buds17]

Until Marner signs everything is up in the air.

Might actually be better if he holds out for the year.

That'd be quite the gamble based on what he accomplished for the team this past season.

 

[Dog]

Getting MM, AJ, KK to a combined 15 million
Trading Kadri for Wallmark+ 1st+
Trading Brown for whatever

Hyman-Tavares-Matthews
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Wallmark-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Gauthier-Moore
Petan

Rielly-xxx
Muzzin-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Holl

3.2 million to fill xxx beside Rielly

Wallmark a cheaper option yes and he is pretty decent.

 

[justafan22]

Is Brown worth picks, or is he worth maybe a 6th?

Yes

 

[Nineteen67]

What isn't so obvious is are you just getting rid of players under contract you don't like, in order to make Leafs cap work and sign players you do?

Unloading Zaitsev who has 5 years @ $4.5 mil remaining for futures isn't really all that easy in real life, besides he is Leafs only legitimate RHD that plays in the top 4?

Cap management would be easy if it simply worked like that as then most would just magically remove Marleau.

Dubas is faced with tougher decisions because he can't just pretend players under contract don't exist.

Who plays D? Some of these lineups I’m seeing miss the playoffs, which may not be a bad thing.

 

[Magic Man]

Rosen or Sandin might break into lineup not sure if Liljegren will be ready. Rosen probably has the best chance.

I wouldn’t rely on Liljegren and Sandin in the top 6 to be an upgrade the the D.
Sandin is only 19 and probably could use another year in the minors.
I’m all for giving them a chance but I think with the short window they have to win they may make a big trade that’ll include Liljegren or maybe both.

Rosen might not just make it into the lineup, he'll be a regular on pairing #3. Sandin will likely start the year with the Leafs in Dermott's absence. Sandin and Liljegren will probably start the year in the minors and come up at the deadline when the rosters expand. They'll be internal deadline additions like Moore this year and Johnsson the year before. Liljegren needs waivers the following year, so he's coming up then either way. It would make sense to give him reps in the NHL and also let him develop some offensive confidence next season in the AHL. They will all be full time in 20/21.

 

[Fogelhund]

Rosen might not just make it into the lineup, he'll be a regular on pairing #3. Sandin will likely start the year with the Leafs in Dermott's absence. Sandin and Liljegren will probably start the year in the minors and come up at the deadline when the rosters expand. They'll be internal deadline additions like Moore this year and Johnsson the year before. Liljegren needs waivers the following year, so he's coming up then either way. It would make sense to give him reps in the NHL and also let him develop some offensive confidence next season in the AHL. They will all be full time in 20/21.

Ummm

 

[Magic Man]

Ummm

I meant he'll go down after Dermott is back.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If Lily and Sandin play over the slide limit amount of games (13 or something?) wouldnt they be eligible for the expansion draft?

 

[TML1967]

What is better for the Leafs, Marner getting $10-11 mil on a 5-6 year deal or sitting out the season for cap reasons?

If the answer is none of the above then what is option #3?

3 years at 8.5-9 million?

- 1 year away from UFA
- Lower AAV, with his team pumping his 11m tires the fans would view this as a hometown discount
- Helps during major cap crunch
- He gets to 're set' his salary at age 25, before Matthews/Nylander/Tavares, likely meaning he is the highest paid for a few seasons
- 3rd contract, assuming 8 year deal brings him through ALL of his prime and ends at 33
- 3 years from now cap will be much higher, so he will get a decent raise even if just re signing on same cap %

Win-Win? Maybe

 

[Ziggdiezan]

3 years at 8.5-9 million?

- 1 year away from UFA
- Lower AAV, with his team pumping his 11m tires the fans would view this as a hometown discount
- Helps during major cap crunch
- He gets to 're set' his salary at age 25, before Matthews/Nylander/Tavares, likely meaning he is the highest paid for a few seasons
- 3rd contract, assuming 8 year deal brings him through ALL of his prime and ends at 33
- 3 years from now cap will be much higher, so he will get a decent raise even if just re signing on same cap %

Win-Win? Maybe

That much salary for a bridge would be so hard to swallow. Essentially giving Marner Kutch money for almost 1/3rd of the term.

 

[ULF_55]

That'd be quite the gamble based on what he accomplished for the team this past season.

Blues and Bruins in the finals.

 

[TML1967]

That much salary for a bridge would be so hard to swallow. Essentially giving Marner Kutch money for almost 1/3rd of the term.

Its a higher number for sure, but Matthews camp apparently asked for 9.5x3 before the season and id say Marners year is a bit higher than that.
If you can get him under 8.5mx3 id say the Leafs should take it and run.

Here is an example of a 8.25x3 Marner, 2.75x3 for KK and 2.75mx2 for AJ.
- Dont need to loose anyone but Brown (I traded him for picks to Edmonton)
- Back end is weak but if you can move a Zaitsev+add a Miller, we are in a really solid position.

 

[ULF_55]

3 years at 8.5-9 million?

- 1 year away from UFA
- Lower AAV, with his team pumping his 11m tires the fans would view this as a hometown discount
- Helps during major cap crunch
- He gets to 're set' his salary at age 25, before Matthews/Nylander/Tavares, likely meaning he is the highest paid for a few seasons
- 3rd contract, assuming 8 year deal brings him through ALL of his prime and ends at 33
- 3 years from now cap will be much higher, so he will get a decent raise even if just re signing on same cap %

Win-Win? Maybe

If he proves he's worth more than 10 sobeit.

After he wins a scoring title and MVP award pay him more than Connor.

 

[TheProspector]

Marleau's gotta go.

 

[biotk]

If Lily and Sandin play over the slide limit amount of games (13 or something?) wouldnt they be eligible for the expansion draft?

Lily can't slide again. Sandin can, but regardless both are exempt from the expansion draft.