News Article: Cap increased to $71mil (MTL will have $27.5)

[WeThreeKings]

If we want Vanek, we need to trade or not re-sign 2 of Diaz, Gorges, Markov and Bourque. I have not include Desharnais or Brière because i don't think we can trade them without receiving an equal cap dump.

Under the new salary cap I have..

Vanek at 8 million per season
Eller at 4 million per season
White at 1 million per season.

Bourque traded for picks and Dumont called up.

Markov at 6 million
PK at 9 million
Diaz at 3.5
and Girardi at 5 million

With those estimates, we still have 7 million on the cap.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Under the new salary cap I have..

Vanek at 8 million per season
Eller at 4 million per season
White at 1 million per season.

Bourque traded for picks and Dumont called up.

Markov at 6 million
PK at 9 million
Diaz at 3.5
and Girardi at 5 million

With those estimates, we still have 7 million on the cap.

Still 7 millions left? Are you sure?!

 

[Theosis]

Under the new salary cap I have..

Vanek at 8 million per season
Eller at 4 million per season
White at 1 million per season.

Bourque traded for picks and Dumont called up.

Markov at 6 million
PK at 9 million
Diaz at 3.5
and Girardi at 5 million

With those estimates, we still have 7 million on the cap.

I think Markov will sign with the same cap hit, assuming we do extend him. Subban I can't see being one of the highest cap hits in the league... I'm expecting a discount @ 7.5 or 8m

Diaz I think will get around 2.5m

 

[Monctonscout]

Subban at 8.5
Markov at 5.75
Eller at 4

Doesn't leave us much room..

We can add a 7-8 mil player if there is one out there. Vanek?

Agreed. Those are normal prices within the range acceptable for their output.

Eller at $4M is fair.

Not the way he's been playing the last 6-7 weeks...he had 7 points the first 3 games and only 10 the next 28.

To get 4 mil as a RFA, Eller would have to be around 55 points.

Markov is currently doing 5.75M$, the way he is playing right now, he is giving himself arguments for a raise. Only if we sign him for a 5+ years contract I could believe it will be below 6M$, but I'm not holding my breath. He may want to end his career here, but not at any cost, and the first sign of it his former agent being fired.

My 2 cents though

Even with a home town discount Markov will cost 6-6.5 mil.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Still 7 millions left? Are you sure?!

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/1622

That's without a call up Dumont

 

[WeThreeKings]

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/1622

That's without a call up Dumont

nevermind, it didn't calculate the new salaries

 

[thom]

If Subban wins back to back Norris trophys his agent will be asking for the moon.Its early but Subban could lead def in scoring I mean the guy is not 25yrs old yet.

 

[Account Terminated]

I think Markov will sign with the same cap hit, assuming we do extend him. Subban I can't see being one of the highest cap hits in the league... I'm expecting a discount @ 7.5 or 8m

Diaz I think will get around 2.5m

You really expect Subban to take a discount after he already took a bridge contract?

 

[Brainiac]

What contracts?

We are actually pretty solid when it comes to our current contracts; absolutely no real albatross.

Agreed about the albatross part, obviously. Down the road, we'll be fine. That's why I think Bergevin is not worried at all with the cap.

But we still have a few guys making too much for what they bring this year (Briere, Gionta).

Good thing is we have 3 forwards on their ELC and 4 very good players not making crazy money (Patches, Plekanec, Subban and Markov).

 

[417]

Cap increase to 71M next year? and expected to be at near 80M the year after?

This is why I let the GM worry about the cap...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think we should just offer another bridge contract to Subban at sub 3 million again. That would open the door to adding more players.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

We can add a 7-8 mil player if there is one out there. Vanek?

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No we can't. Not if we sign Subban, Markov and Eller on this team.

 

[Mario Lemieux fan 66]

No we can't. Not if we sign Subban, Markov and Eller on this team.

Like i said before we only can if we trade or not re-sign 2 of Gorges, Bourque, Diaz or Markov.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

If you think about it for a sec, it's actually not that complicated:

You let Diaz go
You let Gionta go

You sign Subban at 8.25M
You sign Markov at 5M
You sign White at 735K
You callup Tinordi or Pateryn

And with a 71.1M salary cap, without making any trade, you have 9.5M to sign:

An enforcer (0.7M)
A very good depth d-man (3.3M)
And a good scorer (5.5M)

You want to give rookies a bigger role; You get Pateryn AND Tinordi in MTL (1.5M)
Then, you sign an enforcer (1M), which lets you 7M to get a top-line scorer

 

[PricePkPatch*]

If you think about it for a sec, it's actually not that complicated:

You let Diaz go
You let Gionta go

You sign Subban at 8.25M
You sign Markov at 5M
You sign White at 735K
You callup Tinordi or Pateryn

And with a 71.1M salary cap, without making any trade, you have 9.5M to sign:

An enforcer (0.7M)
A very good depth d-man (3.3M)
And a good scorer (5.5M)

You want to give rookies a bigger role; You get Pateryn AND Tinordi in MTL (1.5M)
Then, you sign an enforcer (1M), which lets you 7M to get a top-line scorer

So you flush Eller down the toilet?

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

So you flush Eller down the toilet?

I didn't mention him. I re-signed him at 3.25M.

Why? Because he, unlike Desharnais, have no 60 points season to raise his value. Agents speak numbers.

Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Vanek
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Bourque - Eller - Briere
Moen - Prust - Reaves
White/Bournival

Markov - Pateryn
Tinordi - Subban
Gorges - Emelin

Price
Budaj

If you need more leverage; Make Gorges and/or Bourque available.

 

[Bryson]

No we can't. Not if we sign Subban, Markov and Eller on this team.

Guys no need for capgeek. Just do some simple math in your head:

Subban gets Gionta's money
Eller and Diaz will get Murray, Boullion and Parros money

Our cap hit payroll is at $63M so if the cap goes up to $71M that leaves us with $8M give or take. If we need a few extra mill we can trade Bourque who's cap hit friendly contract is still worth something. The habs have the money to make a move in the off season no problem. What we do with this money is the question.

 

[MXD]

If you think about it for a sec, it's actually not that complicated:

You let Diaz go
You let Gionta go

You sign Subban at 8.25M
You sign Markov at 5M
You sign White at 735K
You callup Tinordi or Pateryn

And with a 71.1M salary cap, without making any trade, you have 9.5M to sign:

An enforcer (0.7M)
A very good depth d-man (3.3M)
And a good scorer (5.5M)

You want to give rookies a bigger role; You get Pateryn AND Tinordi in MTL (1.5M)
Then, you sign an enforcer (1M), which lets you 7M to get a top-line scorer

I wouldn't quite spend to the cap n ext season.

Mainly because Bourni, Gallagher, Galchenyuk will have to be renewedcas well. Also Beaulieu and Tinordi.

The main player going off the books will be Briere.

 

[Monctonscout]

Anyone who thinks we should sign Phaneuf should watch the last 10 minutes of BOS-TOR game 7 last year. The guy totally disappeared under pressure. We have future blueliners in Hamilton. Tinordi needs NHL development full-time next year. Pateryn could also be a useful stay at home dman as well. Spend money getting bigger and grittier with some skill up front (ala Steve Ott).

Even if we wanted him it's cost prohibitive, he'll cost 7.5-8 mil as a UFA. His camp and the Leafs are negotiating in the 7 mil cap range.

Cap has been increased approximately $7mil for next year, and we will have $27.5m to spend.

This is how I would split that $27.5m:

$7.5 - Subban
$5.75 - Markov
$0.7 - White
$3 - Eller
$6.5 - Phaneuf
$4 - Girardi

And then we would have close to $0 left (not saying its the best to do that, obviously having no capspace puts limitations on trade negotiations)

Our lineup would then look like:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Eller
Bourque - Desharnais - Briere
Prust - White - Moen

Subban - Phaneuf
Markov - Emelin
Girardi - Gorges
Drewiske

Price
Budaj

(P.S. I know we don't have a 13th forward incase of injuries... I was thinking we could trade away Desharnais so some of our prospects can move into 3rd or fourth line.. that $3.5 can be well used, same thing can apply to other players)

Let me know what you think

See post above, Phaneuf and the Leafs are already talking in the 7 mil, range, probably gets extended soon at more tahn 6.5 mil cap hit.

At 4 mil Girardi stays in NYR, if he hits the open market he'll cost 5+ mil which makes no sense with Gorges and Emelin signed plus Tinordi and pateryn in the pipeline.

Going after Vanek makes 5x more sense than Girardi or Phaneuf.

That gives a lot of options for Bergevin. Signing Subban and Markov being his priority, I'd take a closer look at this list of UFAs (given they are not signed) :

Defense

Phaneuf (He's a not a favorite here but he'd be great on a second pairing and less responsibilities)
Orpik
Willie Mitchell (Limited time contract)
Chris Phillips (Limited time contract)
Matt Greene

Offense

Vanek
Stastny
Marleau
Steen
Ott

Marc Bergevin should try to sign Marian Gaborik or Thomas Vanek.

We don't need another stay at home d-man, we need a big time sniper up front. We already have 2 all-star d-men and 2 good stay at home guys.

Vanek is 30 and will want at least 6 years, at 7+ million.

Can we afford that?

I'd give him 6 years and 7-7.5 in a second.

No we can't. Not if we sign Subban, Markov and Eller on this team.

Why not?

If you let Gionta walk, that's 5 mil plus the cap going up by about 7 mil. That's 12 mil for raises and Vanek.

If you have to you move a forward...Briere DD or Bourque.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

I wouldn't quite spend to the cap n ext season.

Mainly because Bourni, Gallagher, Galchenyuk will have to be renewedcas well. Also Beaulieu and Tinordi.

The main player going off the books will be Briere.

... and the cap is projected to go up to 80M by then.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

I didn't mention him. I re-signed him at 3.25M.

Why? Because he, unlike Desharnais, have no 60 points season to raise his value. Agents speak numbers.

Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Vanek
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher
Bourque - Eller - Briere
Moen - Prust - Reaves
White/Bournival

Markov - Pateryn
Tinordi - Subban
Gorges - Emelin

Price
Budaj

If you need more leverage; Make Gorges and/or Bourque available.

I don't think we'll get Markov @ 5. More like @6.

Eller might want to go for a shorter term so he can further prove himself if he is willing to get a discount, so I'll accept the argument of 3,25; but I am still thinking 4M is more reasonable.

U sure about White not getting any pay increase?

But all right, we probably have the room for a solid UFA signing.

 

[Monctonscout]

Guys no need for capgeek. Just do some simple math in your head:

Subban gets Gionta's money
Eller and Diaz will get Murray, Boullion and Parros money

Our cap hit payroll is at $63M so if the cap goes up to $71M that leaves us with $8M give or take. If we need a few extra mill we can trade Bourque who's cap hit friendly contract is still worth something. The habs have the money to make a move in the off season no problem. What we do with this money is the question.

Even if you let guys walk, the bodies replacing them have cap hits...but We still have room bit a big signing or trade if we want.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

I don't think we'll get Markov @ 5. More like @6.

Eller might want to go for a shorter term so he can further prove himself if he is willing to get a discount, so I'll accept the argument of 3,25; but I am still thinking 4M is more reasonable.

U sure about White not getting any pay increase?

But all right, we probably have the room for a solid UFA signing.

There's no reason Eller would get 4M. NONE. He hasn't proved to be a consistent offensive guy in this league, and in the end, this is what makes your worth in contract negociations.

White might get an increase, but it's marginal if he gets any. Think maybe 200K.

Markov is not getting any younger. There's no chance he gets an increase. None. His wife makes as much as he does FFS. I'm sure if he gets security, he'll settle for less.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Even if you let guys walk, the bodies replacing them have cap hits...but We still have room bit a big signing or trade if we want.

Even there. If Bourque OR Gorges prevents Bergevin from acquiring the player he ultimately wants, we need a more creative GM...

 

[DekeLikeYouMeanIt]

Under the new salary cap I have..

Vanek at 8 million per season
Eller at 4 million per season
White at 1 million per season.

Bourque traded for picks and Dumont called up.

Markov at 6 million
PK at 9 million
Diaz at 3.5
and Girardi at 5 million

With those estimates, we still have 7 million on the cap.

I'd actually prefer Marleau if SJ keep Joe and Boyle. Girardi will sign for a ridiculous amount.