GDT: Canucks visit Habs Monday, Feb 1- 4pm PST/TUES, Feb 2 11am AEDT/Feb 2 8am HKT/Feb 2 1am CET

[Pip]

Oh Jesus....just stop with this.

Unlike you guys this hockey team isn't my life. I have no control over the team. If the team was actually terrible and had no hope then sure, I wouldn't put up with it. However there's lots to like about this team, enough that they're worth believing in and being positive about.

Unlike you I’m not policing how your cheer for the team.

 

[Bougieman]

Gotta love Motte's compete level. Always there, no matter what.

 

[Bad Goalie]

The Beagle with a nose for the puck. Good hunting.

 

[Kryten]

 

[brock hughes007]

can't keep going on with letting in 5 or more goals a game..just pathetic..

 

[LordBacon]

Hogs reminds me of St. Louis.
I know he’s nowhere near that level but he’s a good player in his own right.

 

[tantalum]

They should have traded him every time he put forth one of those looked good spurts. Waiting and hoping he gets it doesn't appear to be in the cards. Know when to fold.

He was my pick as bait to move one of the bad contracts but it didn’t happen and somehow he’s becoming the bad contract.

 

[Blue and Green]

To their credit (and probably our horror) - the fourth line has been our best line, I think. They deserved that.

Yes. Beagle and especially Motte have been doing alright as fourth-line guys this season.

 

[shottasasa]

Yeah, pretty much! I meant I'm not saying act like everything is hunky Dory, sunshine and rainbows either. I'm talking about the extreme rhetoric the second things look bad for the team.

Folks can gatekeep their fandom with this "We aren't suckers, we expect a Cup winner!!" shtick all they want (as if the rest of don't want that too LOL!) but it's only an excuse to justify the instant childish whining at times.

Completely agree, worth repeating.

 

[Hansen]

Everyone is falling over

 

[RussianRacket]

Some people are content being fed a bunch of bullshit. Real fans want an actual cup contending team in front of them. Others are happy getting participation trophies

Please do not gatekeep hockey fandom. Thanks!

 

[IslandBeast]

Petey has been garabage, unacceptable. Come on

 

[mathonwy]

Petey facepalm

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

First off, I'd say that he's actually a bad amateur scout, too.

I agree and was sort of being tongue in cheek.

The Canucks have clearly benefitted from folks like Eric Crawford (what organization is he working for again...?) and Judd Brackett I would say in spite of Benning and not because of him.

It's silly to think that there's a binary switch between "pro" and "amateur" scouting which was the point I was kinda driving for. Yes, there are different things you need to be evaluating (your point about cap impact is one factor), but you should be able to assess talent regardless of it being pro or amateur. Again, let's take a look at Eric Crawford and how he transitioned from amateur to pro scouting.

The fact that there's been so many goddamned duds from Benning means to me that his ~*~ talent whisperer ~*~ abilities are f***ing overblown. You can't look at just Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser and not include Vey, Gudbranson, Sbisa, etc. As I keep saying, the overall bad outweighs the good with Benning.

1) Everything he does is 2-3 years late. Virtually every move he's made is an NHL player who maybe would have made sense as a target a few years earlier, but for whom a large amount of more recent information should have made it obvious that that player is actually now a poor target. And prospects he liked as junior players 3-4 years earlier who are now busting. Very much like the average casual fan in this respect.

2) Pro scouting is no longer 'evaluating how good a player is'. It's evaluating the value of the player relative to his current cap hit. If salaries were all the same and there was no cap, sure, maybe Jay Beagle is a slightly better #4 center than Gaunce or Dowd. But Beagle at $3 million is not better value than Gaunce or Dowd at $800k, and you're hurting the team elsewhere with that sort of poor evaluation.

Yeah, both of this goes back to how Benning's priorities are skewed in an unhealthy fashion and (probably) a lack of decent methodology or analytics within the Canucks organization, especially when compared to other organizations (how has Montreal's pro scouting been, incidentally?)

 

[mathonwy]

Jake don't do any greasy shit

 

[rypper]

JT Miller playing like a depressed lost little puppy dog.

 

[Svencouver]

See: That possession there, what the f*** was that. Move the puck, good lord

 

[shottasasa]

Also, the Canadiens do a lot of sneaky picks, very borderline on interference.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Hogs reminds me of St. Louis.
I know he’s nowhere near that level but he’s a good player in his own right.

Right.

The big thing is he isnt relying on other players to make him better.

 

[mathonwy]

What's going on here...

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

Who gives the puck away more, Myers or Miller?

 

[cc]

Petey still looks like he has Bambi legs when he skates. I wonder if that will ever change

 

[Canucks LB]

I am definitely putting some money down on the canucks tomorrow lol

If they show any pride, they will win.

This game has just been all out depressing

 

[canuckking1]

Also, the Canadiens do a lot of sneaky picks, very borderline on interference.

Yeah they get away with a lot. They’re a CJ coached team for sure.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Ya, who friggin’ cares about a 2.5 million per year office job?

Unless you think there is a direct 1-to-1 translation between how hard you work and how much money you make I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue. Does Jake Virtanen give you the impression that he's worked hard to improve his game this offseason?