I knew you'd coming in here hating with your sky is falling rational thoughts.
to me it's utter lunacy to see the same people who claimed $4.6 was too much for a very good top 4 defensman (who people for some reason pencilled into the 3rd pair...he'd look damn good next to Hammer right now) but can rationalize wasting $3.6 on a considerably worse player to put it lightly.
Santorelli also had as many EV strength points in 48 games as Dorsett has in 77 and is actually good at hockey, but a 2 year deal was too much.
It's really funny actually.
We could have given Sbisa $5 million/year and certain people here would still be defending it to the bitter end. Just as we could have traded Garrison for a 7th, and they would have defended that as well.
If the best defense of Sbisa is that he's gotten better and is still only 26 and etc, then you can QO him at 2.9 and give him another year. The odds of him playing well enough next year to merit a massive raise is miniscule.
The only justification for over-paying his QO by 700k next year is if you think that he'll be worth 4M in the two years where you're paying him 3.6M. That's just arithmetic.
What makes the Sbisa deal so weird is that there was no reason whatsoever to do this.
Dorsett was going to be a UFA, so if we were desperate to keep him, fine, maybe we overpay a bit. But if we really needed more Sbisa in our lives we could have just qualified him for a year at $2.9 million and seen how he did next season. Like we did with Tanev.
It's mind-boggling that Benning wanted to be cautious with Tanev but was ready to hurl bags of money ASAP at Luca freaking Sbisa.
Fully agreed with both.
The logic (or lack thereof) both in the Sbisa signing, and from those defending it, is astonishing.
My problem with Dorsett's deal is more about the term. Giving 4 years to fringe players is never a good thing. Too much can happen.
I think Sbisa is overpaid by 600k but I don't care about the 3 years. I would have preferred 3 years for Dorsett but the 2.65M is fine with me.
They're 6/10 in my opinion. I don't really have a super aversion to either but I don't think either is a great deal. I also know that comparing contracts that were signed 2 years ago to contracts today isn't a logical argument because of the cap changing.
You think Luca Sbisa, who is statistically one of the worst defenders in the NHL, is worth $3 million/year with term as an RFA?
Hey now. After these tragic signings, there's a chance Vey is given a 3 year contract at $2.5m per year.
Anything is possible now.
No kidding.
Again, he is literally just finishing a 25 point season. Maybe I'm taking a wait-and-see approach here, but I don't see his offensive production being flukey or anything this year. Assuming he averages 10-12 minutes moving forward why do you think he'll necessarily regress?
He's been a 15-20 point guy his entire career.
These sorts of energy guy tend to burn out pretty quickly, so I'm not expecting him to sustain this level of play until he's almost 33. He'll probably be his usual 15-20 point self next year.
Which is fine. He's a good 4th liner if used right. If we'd resigned him for 3 years/$6 million I'd be OK with it.
Let me get this straight.
We force Garrison out of Vancouver, making him waive his NTC, because that's too much money spent on a guy playing on the bottom pairing. By doing this, we get garbage value out of him, despite his play being roughly that of a high end 2nd pairing defenseman.
We then go ahead and sign a guy who can barely tread water on the 3rd pairing, who plays as well as a 7th defenseman, for 3.6M for 3 years?
Completely mind blowing sequence of events. It's like chopping off your foot because it'll save you money on socks. Just... just so stupid.
This is pretty much the whole Sbisa saga in a nutshell.
Ridiculous. Jim Benning continues to impress with his absolute inability to negotiate. It's remarkable.
Just time after time ... it really is amazing.
I hope we all enjoy it because apparently Dorsett and Sbisa will single handedly prevent us from getting other players ever and we will never ever make the playoffs again.
I tried explaining our cap situation to you and you ignored it.
Filling the rest of our roster spots with rookies/filler, we're against the cap.
And nobody said anything resembling most of this rubbish.
Has anyone claiming that we have ample amount of room done the actual math? We aren't carrying 9 rookies next year.
We might be at this rate.
