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[m9]

I was pretty hesitant about the Mikheyev deal as well, but I'm always hesitant about long-term deals before a guy has played a minute for your team. Generally bad business. But this is a bit of a Roussel situation to me where he might have been worth that deal without a devastating knee injury so I don't think anyone should be doing victory laps.

That being said, fair to question his inability to stay healthy in Toronto & also why he didn't opt for surgery earlier last year. Those topics have been beaten to death though and at this point I'm just hoping Mikheyev can bounce back a bit here.

 

[Vector]

I don't see why a 2nd afternoon game is any worse than a regular b2b at a later time

Players have said an early game on the second of a b2b, with travel, is extremely difficult. Every extra hour they can get to recoup becomes important.

 

[m9]

Players have said an early game on the second of a b2b, with travel, is extremely difficult. Every extra hour they can get to recoup becomes important.

Sure but the early game the previous day mitigates that

 

[arttk]

I posted a link above, our b2bs are actually pretty good this year, both compared against the league in general and compared to the amount our opponents get

It’s more the amount of travel and b2b we have had. We had 3 b2b in a month with heavy travel schedule. Even if the 1st leg of those b2b is easier, it evens out considering you end up being the tired team on the 2nd leg with road travel.

 

[TruGr1t]

I could see the logic in the thought process. Our overall team speed was shit and we also needed better two-way players that could PK. Mik had decent advanced stats and was good 5 v 5. He was signed to be a top 6 player. I think our GM horribly read the FA market that summer and paid a premium for wingers though.

Yeah you could see the fit, and it would have been a lot better on a lower term without the NTC. Now it’s an unwieldy deal that’s going to be tough to move, which was always the issue.

 

[Vector]

Sure but the early game the previous day mitigates that

Not on the road going West to East. You lose any extra time during the time change. Also the exhaustion sets in between games. You don’t get to be extra rested for the first and that carries over to the second, you’re still exhausted with no recovery time.

I’m confused why you’re arguing this because it’s always been a thing and was pointed out by fans, media, and players during that road trip.

 

[racerjoe]

Strictyly talking off season and if we have all of them still, I think Joshua has priced himself out of what we can afford. I would look to move Garland, he should have good value after this season. Plus I think Hogs can now replace him. Laff you should still be able to sign cheap in comparison to Joshua so probably keep him. Look to have him and Hogs on the 3rd line Try to reisign Bluegar as well. Fill the rest with cheap depth.

Defence sign Hronek, probably going to cost us 8 mil... oh well. Pay you top guys.
Soucy slides up to top 4, after that its depending on what people ask. We haven't heard too much about dollar for big Z, just term... so maybe we can get him for cheap if we offer a lot of years?

 

[m9]

It’s more the amount of travel and b2b we have had. We had 3 b2b in a month with heavy travel schedule. Even if the 1st leg of those b2b is easier, it evens out considering you end up being the tired team on the 2nd leg with road travel.

Ya, I don't really see it but I don't care enough to argue. Fair enough.

Seemed to come out of it with an excellent record and extremely healthy so no need to dwell.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Adam Henrique to me feels like Derek Roy in 2013 half ass. A bit of an upgrade on what you have but not by much. You either go big or don’t make a move and mess with the team chemistry (I am specifically talking about the top six hole).

 

[TruGr1t]

Strictyly talking off season and if we have all of them still, I think Joshua has priced himself out of what we can afford. I would look to move Garland, he should have good value after this season. Plus I think Hogs can now replace him. Laff you should still be able to sign cheap in comparison to Joshua so probably keep him. Look to have him and Hogs on the 3rd line Try to reisign Bluegar as well. Fill the rest with cheap depth.

Defence sign Hronek, probably going to cost us 8 mil... oh well. Pay you top guys.
Soucy slides up to top 4, after that its depending on what people ask. We haven't heard too much about dollar for big Z, just term... so maybe we can get him for cheap if we offer a lot of years?

Joshua is the one guy you may get a bit of a hometown discount on since the team showed a lot faith in him etc. but yeah he may just cash in.

I think they’ll sign Zadorov to a contract most aren’t comfortable with, and two of Garland, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev likely need to go.

 

[arttk]

Ya, I don't really see it but I don't care enough to argue. Fair enough.

Seemed to come out of it with an excellent record and extremely healthy so no need to dwell.

Yeah, we are winning a lot, there is really not a lot to complain about.
f*** the Leafs and Oilers fans. They can go f*** themselves.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

I feel like I must be very out of the loop because I am honestly shocked anyone would call acquiring Casey Middlestadt the "dream scenario."

If the Nucks are planning to purge prospects and draft picks it makes more sense to acquire younger players that are not rentals that are pending UFAs.

The list of these is fairly short so Casey Middlestadt or Dylan Cozens (having a poor season) would be ideal even if they have to overpay.

 

[arttk]

Joshua is the one guy you may get a bit of a hometown discount on since the team showed a lot faith in him etc. but yeah he may just cash in.

I think they’ll sign Zadorov to a contract most aren’t comfortable with, and two of Garland, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev likely need to go.

I think I am fine with them overpaying Zadorov a bit. Stability on the backend is more important. If we have him, then the back is
Hughes - Hronek
Zadorov / Soucy - ???
Soucy/ Zadorov - Juulsen

Based on what we’ve seen this year, that should be pretty good even with the 2nd RHD being a question mark

 

[TruGr1t]

I think I am fine with them overpaying Zadorov a bit. Stability on the backend is more important. If we have him, then the back is
Hughes - Hronek
Zadorov / Soucy - ???
Soucy/ Zadorov - Juulsen

Based on what we’ve seen this year, that should be pretty good even with the 2nd RHD being a question mark

Best you can probably hope for is they get Zadorov and Myers both signed for around $7M in total cap hit and work from there.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Inb4 lock

 

[m9]

Hughes allows you to go with two 4/5 guys on the left side going forward and I think Zadorov & Soucy are pretty much the ideal guys for that role assuming Zadorov's ask isn't crazy. I would get that done.

Right side is more wide open to me and I'm open to pretty much anything.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Best you can probably hope for is they get Zadorov and Myers both signed for around $7M in total cap hit and work from there.

I think its eight and a half minimum, very likely nine mills

 

[TruGr1t]

I think its eight and a half minimum, very likely nine mills

That's wild ... I don't think either guy is sniffing $5M AAV so not sure how that works. If they really push out free agency I could see both maybe getting $4M AAV on shorter-term deals.

 

[arttk]

Best you can probably hope for is they get Zadorov and Myers both signed for around $7M in total cap hit and work from there.

Our bet with Myers is still on so you know where I stand with him lol

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I just don't see it happening unless Casey Middlestadt has already demanded a trade or has stated his intent not to sign his next contract. Makes zero sense for Buffalo to move him.

If Mittelstadt doesn't sign long term it makes complete sense for the Sabres to move him. His name is already being rumored by Sabres beat writers.

 

[bossram]

Yep.. i really think this system plays so much into these guys. I mean i believe it is a method of preventing odd man breaks against but i believe these guys are coached not to take shitty shots - specifically ones from bad angles and certainly not while 2 to 4 guys are all skating into the zone

If he all of a sudden pops up in a system that values shots - alot changes from what is actually making him successful. Possession boardwork and and short passing

Joshua is definitely good at those things. And he doesn't really waste shots. But I agree, these are all things accentuated by how Tocchet wants to play. And further to my play-driver (Garland) point, all of the transition work (DZ exits turning into OZ entries) is done by Garland, and it's Garland and Bluger running the right routes on the NZ forecheck to turn pucks back over for them. Blueger also has shown more of a playmaking touch.

Joshua, to his credit, seems to read the play well to be in good spots to receive scoring chances, and has some nice hands around the net. But to me, is the 3rd wheel on that line. This is his shot at a bigger contract and I hope he gets it. Just not with VAN.

Garland drives that line and Blueger should be prioritized on a roster with 1 or 2 true Cs. Stick Hoglander or even Bains/Podkolzin on that line next year and it’ll be just fine.

That is my view as well. Joshua is the most replaceable element of that line.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If Mittelstadt doesn't sign long term it makes complete sense for the Sabres to move him. His name is already being rumored by Sabres beat writers.

Sure. But who do we have that would interest them? They’re probably looking for immediate help. Not futures.

 

[ziploc]

Sure. But who do we have that would interest them? They’re probably looking for immediate help. Not futures.

I'd be willing to go as high as Myers, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I'd be willing to go as high as Myers, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev.

Me too! Lol.

 

[RandV]

I just don't see it happening unless Casey Middlestadt has already demanded a trade or has stated his intent not to sign his next contract. Makes zero sense for Buffalo to move him.

And if that does happen it's not like Vancouver would have an easy time signing him, his next contract is going to be roughly the same as Guentzel's.