Post-Game Talk: Canucks lose 3-2 || <Loud noises>

[Bourne Endeavor]

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[WTG]

 

[Addison Rae]

meh.

 

[WTG]

Out coached..... again....

 

[Intangibos]

heh Sbisa

Also 0% zone starts for McCann, so that's nice.

 

[Jack Tripper]

botchford on desjardins' deployment: http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/10/22/the-provies-hot-takes-horvat-takes-torts-takes-and-what-took-so-long-for-the-vrbata-reunion/

BEST TOI POLICING

In the third period, it seemed like Dorsett was never not on the ice. He played 6:42. You know what, he was mostly good.

Jared McCann played 35 seconds.

They started the game on the same line. They were fine together.

I had just said McCann was flying tonight, not playing great but playing well, as well he has in any game this season.

For most of the first month, many of us assumed McCann had to be in a third line centre role, playing with more offensive-minded players.

But there he was tonight torching the narrative for two periods, shining while flanked by Prust and Dorsett.

The underlying stats appeared to back that up. McCann kept his head above water possession-wise, finishing the game with a plus-1 in shot-attempt differential.

This, despite not having one ozone start for the game.

This is the one he gets benched? Surprising.

So what kind of impact can this have on a team?

“I think it’s a good impact,†Willie said. “The young guys know. They’re young players. Whatever minutes they get, it helps them develop.

“Right at the start of the third, they went to a three line rotation. They have two big lines there. If you’re rotating four, you’re going to get some tough matchups.â€

But when you play Dorsett and Prust that much in the third, are you trying to win the game or are trying to hold on?

“Their line is a real good forechecking line,†Willie countered. “They got on it. They turned some over. They had chances on it.

“Those guys can create. I had confidence in them.

“The play we just about scored on, Prust takes it wide, Horvat goes to the net. It was an empty net, we just didnâ€t complete it.â€

 

[pahlsson]

wow did burrows and hansen play completely in the neutral zone

10 corsi events in a game seems low for them

 

[PM]

Are zone start percentages in that table for the offensive or defensive zone? Either the Sedins were our shutdown pairing, defensive zone line tonight or Jared McCann started zero shifts in the offensive zone. Either would be stupid.

Edit: looks like they are offensive zone from Botch's article. 0 offensive zone starts for McCann? But why?

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

How is Sbisa's corsi so different from Hutton's?

 

[WTG]

They are offensive zone start %.

It does not factor in Neutral zone starts.


So yeah McCann was given 0 offensive zone starts.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I swear Dorsett triple shifted in the third.

 

[Pip]

Hutton is unreal. Absolutely unreal. So impressed with him.

Willie you can't dress three young players if you're going to sit them all in the third...

 

[Mudshark50]

botchford on desjardins' deployment: http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/10/22/the-provies-hot-takes-horvat-takes-torts-takes-and-what-took-so-long-for-the-vrbata-reunion/

“Right at the start of the third, they went to a three line rotation. They have two big lines there. If you’re rotating four, you’re going to get some tough matchups.â€

That's why the kids were sitting in the third.

 

[WTG]

“Right at the start of the third, they went to a three line rotation. They have two big lines there. If you’re rotating four, you’re going to get some tough matchups.â€

That's why the kids were sitting in the third.

"We sat the guy that scores goals because they had some tough lines "

Or even worse "We sat the forward who was leading our forwards in hits because they were playing tough"

 

[Peen]

“Right at the start of the third, they went to a three line rotation. They have two big lines there. If you’re rotating four, you’re going to get some tough matchups.â€

That's why the kids were sitting in the third.

that isn't the issue.

the issue stems from the fact that he's being stubborn.

in a general sense, i agree with tightening up in the third period.

but there's a difference b/w tightening up and being stupid. a combined - what, ten seconds of ice time between those three in the first 15 minutes of the third period? that is awful. specifically for mccann. he had been excellent, that line played so well with him. then, not only do you tighten up - you play dorsett as your #1 winger in the third period? this is just stupid.

horvat hasn't been good at all this season, but yet he's getting breaks. it doesn't make sense.

 

[Mudshark50]

"We sat the guy that scores goals because they had some tough lines "

Or even worse "We sat the forward who was leading our forwards in hits because they were playing tough"

Your laughy emoticons make you more credible.

If you can't see why a coach would sit some kids you are trying to develop in that situation then I don't think we have any common ground for a discussion.

 

[pahlsson]

what's so hard about going

big line #1 vs sedins
big line #2 vs sutter line
other line vs kid line / 4th line
and just rotating those last two lines instead of cutting yourself down to three lines as well

 

[WTG]

Your laughy emoticons make you more credible.

If you can't see why a coach would sit some kids you are trying to develop in that situation then I don't think we have any common ground for a discussion.

I'm confused what your stance is.

Because in my eyes how is sitting your kids on the bench is helping them develop?

 

[Mudshark50]

that isn't the issue.

the issue stems from the fact that he's being stubborn.

in a general sense, i agree with tightening up in the third period.

but there's a difference b/w tightening up and being stupid. a combined - what, ten seconds of ice time between those three in the first 15 minutes of the third period? that is awful. specifically for mccann. he had been excellent, that line played so well with him. then, not only do you tighten up - you play dorsett as your #1 winger in the third period? this is just stupid.

horvat hasn't been good at all this season, but yet he's getting breaks. it doesn't make sense.

There is so much wrong in your assessment, but mostly the over the top vitriole.

Horvat hasn't been good? Interesting. The kids being put in second line situations as a sophomore this season. Watch his play in that context. They moved him into a third line role this game because the Caps have arguably the best top six in the league.

Dorsett the #1 winger? What game were you watching in the third period?

McCann excellent? Decent for a rookie, maybe, but he struggled against the size and speed he was playing against.

 

[CherryToke]

Your laughy emoticons make you more credible.

If you can't see why a coach would sit some kids you are trying to develop in that situation then I don't think we have any common ground for a discussion.

oh you're defending WD. neat.

so you enjoy playing chicken **** loser hockey trying defend the tie?

 

[Mudshark50]

I'm confused what your stance is.

Because in my eyes how is sitting your kids on the bench is helping them develop?

And putting them in situations they are not ready for is? You've got blinders on.

 

[Mudshark50]

oh you're defending WD. neat.

so you enjoy playing chicken **** loser hockey trying defend the tie?

Not sold on WD, but not on the internet chain gang that calls him out for playing 4 lines or for playing 3, next 2.

Not sure how you have morphed that into enjoying chicken**** hockey, but carry on convincing us how this team is the worst ever put together.

 

[orcatown]

What you should expect when a good seasoned team plays a team with too many holes in the line up. All this talk about game time is a little like talking about adjusting the steering wheel on the Columbia space shuttle. You can re-gig the time allotments a dozen ways to Sunday and you're not going to change the fact the Canucks have no scoring after the first line and a big hole at center. Horvat is being asked to do too much and McCann is not ready. Beyond that Cracknell is not at an NHL level.

Canucks placed a lot of false hope that Vey could fill the void but clearly were wrong in that thought. Any hope of having a 4 line team went right out the door with the failure of the Vey experiment.

Also growing obvious that 5 on 5, Sutter, nor his line mates, are going to do much offensively. Hard to convince anyone that Sutter is a top 6 type center.

The Good

Sedins - did all they could to cobble together some offense. However, other teams can totally focus on them with little fear anyone else will do anything. Probably Vrbata has to stick with them. The idea of moving him up and down the lineup to produce some secondary offense hasn't worked and is only screwing up Vrbata's trade value

Hutton - Wow - what a player. Canucks should be thanking their stars that this player came out of the blue. Would say he is our best d-man in this one.

Miller - made some great saves. Canucks get poor goal-tending and this thing could have been a rout.

The mediocre

Tanev - play has really fallen off after a great start to the year. Maybe the Washington speed had him backing off but he looked slow at times in this game. Maybe not all is right here

Burrows - real non-factor. Lots of chasing in this game

Sbisa - lacked wheels in this game. When he isn't skating starts doing the Bieksa thing of playing zone defense (allowing his check plenty of space) and playing from the goal line with long passes and butting the puck up the boards. When his skating is on he shortens up his passes and plays hard on his check he is much better. Not really doing that tonight.

The less then mediocre

Bartkowski-Hamhuis combo - seem out of sync with each. Neither seem to help the other and Hamhuis, in particular, seems lost trying to cope with the random rushes Bart makes. Pretty much a mess and don't seem to be gelling at all.

McCann - simply not at NHL game speed. Could not handle his end of the ice. He is getting an education out there and you hope he is learning.

Given what they got the Canucks didn't play a bad game but what they got is simply not good enough to compete at a high level.

 

[WTG]

And putting them in situations they are not ready for is? You've got blinders on.

How are they not ready for these situations if you never put them in those situations before? How do you know?

 

[CherryToke]

Not sold on WD, but not on the internet chain gang that calls him out for playing 4 lines or for playing 3, next 2.

Not sure how you have morphed that into enjoying chicken**** hockey, but carry on convincing us how this team is the worst ever put together.

he played Dorsett and Prust in the top 6 to muck it up in the corners in a TIE game over a guy that can score goals because he's a rookie. that is some chicken **** hockey. or maybe just really dumb hockey. either way it's unacceptable.

Dorsett also played more than Daniel Sedin or Vrbata in the 3rd