Confirmed with Link: Canucks Fire Mike Gillis - Part II
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This point is always made but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Billionaire type asset prices (inner city real estate, sports teams ect) all over the world have been reflated to unseen levels thanks to the biggest monetary expansion by central banks in history. The money has to go somewhere.
Gillis took over, right in the depths of the financial crisis before the money printing spree. This has nothing to do with him and everything to do with monetary policy.
i guess the canucks should be thankful messier played when he did instead of banking more money when the value skyrocketed in the years after he left.
yay monetary policy!
It goes from the top down mainly. The big banks get recapitalized and interests rates are suppressed. The first recipients of this money are the billionaires credit facilities. You are correct in that some money goes from the bottom up as other businesses get a shot of the monetary heroin and they spend it on advertising and corporate seats.
When the inevitable crash comes, or even the cyclical downturn we get every 4 or 5 years and the value of the franchise comes down again, I doubt people will pin it all on Trevor Linden.
Maybe but it's a fickle and fairweather fan base. No not us who discuss it day in and day out on the boards but the fan base as a whole. One season of missed playoffs and season ticket renewals plummet. Yes a couple of disappointing playoffs as well but there are several fan bases in the league that would kill for a disppointing playoff. The canucks fan base jumps off the band wagon at the first sign of trouble. Ask yourself this....if this team was like the Oilers who after going to a cup final proceeded to be absolutely dreadful for years and years and years would they be selling tickets? The answer I very much think is no. Despite more money in the city, more people in the area etc. Yet for all their faults Oiler fans keep on showing up.
I gave up my season's tickets this year - but it wasn't because I am a fairweather fan. I am still a huge Canucks fan but I was bored at the arena. I found the hockey was sometimes boring but much worse than that, the fans were super boring. I was having more fun watching the games at home than I was at the rink, so I decided to stop forking over the exorbitant amounts of money that tickets, parking and gas (I live in Abbotsford) cost and enjoy the game from the comfort of my own home.
speaking as a former attendee of every single game, it does get boring.
non-season ticket holders sometimes forget that when a person goes to every single game, they're subjected to the same pre-game ritual, same songs, same intro blah blah blah. the only thing that changes is the opponent and the game itself.
this might partially explain why so many STH's, especially in the lower bowl, show up right at puck drop or a couple minutes into the game...it's so they aren't subjected to the sameness of the game day presentation. i know i hated the routineness of it all, knowing exactly what is coming next etc.
going to one or two games a year is way better, or even a 10 game pack is awesome because the novelty doesn't wear off.
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hah, the complaint about routine is totally legit. Dad had half-seasons tickets and I just showed up just before hockey started.
some insist there is a moral imperative for me to be in the stands so they can feel good about a full arena on tv. 'eff that.
some insist there is a moral imperative for me to be in the stands so they can feel good about a full arena on tv. 'eff that.
Barney Gumble
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Burke might've been exaggerating; but it was pretty bleak in the later part of the 1990s - and this was during the time when Pavel Bure was still here. So don't be so sure of that - there isn't anybody on the team that was electrifying as Bure on the team - might never will be again.
I hung around but many others won't.
it's true.
part of the luxury of being a STH is showing up and leaving whenever the eff you want...cuz there will just be another game tomorrow or the next night anyways.
it's like a never-ending house party that you can drop in and out of at your convenience. a very expensive house party lol
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That was in the days where the Canadian dollar was 60 cents. All franchises in Canada where in trouble. The Oilers were closer to leaving Edmonton then any other. Now anything below par is considered low for the Canadian dollar
not sure. all i know is vancouver games are boring to go to for the most part. can't really explain it.
i went to a game in nashville to see the canucks and that was the shiz. best time at a game, ever.
I would say the other arenas that go crazy every night are in the states, where cheering and screaming during the play happens more often in their regular sporting viewings (NFL, NBA, NCAA football etc).
I know when I go to games (which is not very often) that I'm so intent on watching everything that is going on that I very rarely cheer or chant or whatever.....I cheer when they score, a yell "wooo" when there is a big hit, and I yell at the ref most of the game.
I think the price point for tickets in vancouver lead to people trying to get the most out of their experience, by intently watching the intricacies of the NHL game that they don't get to witness when watching their local junior team or minor hockey.
When it costs me $700 just for the tickets (won't include travel and lodging costs) to watch with my family, I want to give my undivided attention to the action on the ice, and not the excitement in the stands.
I am not a loud person anyways and probably part of the problem but when you sit in the lower bowl your neighbours more resemble the kind of people you'd meet at an opera than a hockey game.
Barney Gumble
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"All" except the Leafs and the Habs. Those two are recession proof.
Canucks were never in danger of leaving during the mid-70s (during a pretty noticeable recession) despite questionable ownership/managment. They had a couple .500 seasons then to give the faithful some area of hope. The Blizzard (WHL) weren't so lucky.
And who knows where the Canadian dollar goes in the future.
i agree with this 100%.
my frame of reference isn't huge, but i've been to games in nashville, florida, chicago, LA, buffalo, montreal and vancouver.
the best combo of knowledgeable fans and loud crowd noise for my small sample size was in montreal, then buffalo, then chicago (sunday afternoon game so i cut them slack for being kinda quiet and hungover lol)
vancouver is obviously high on the list for knowledgeable fans but the crowd noise and ambience just isn't there on most nights, imo. but vancouver fans know how to make noise in the playoffs...it can be loud with towel power and stuff.
anyway, sorry if thread is being hijacked.
Don't fool yourself, this could happen again.. it's considered unlikely but not impossible
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Wut? I'll win the lottery twice before the Canucks get moved. Bad seasons or not.
The new floor on the Canadian dollar is a lot higher then it was. But yeah , now that the Canadian debt bubble has gone unchecked for so long, who knows
"To move this team takes one phone call. Twenty-five cents and a pay phone to move this team. This is high stakes poker folks and it's about the future of this city and this province." ~ And you can always take Brian Burke at his word - or not.
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Of course we do - nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, ASAP is probably longer than we really want to wait.
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Dont get me wrong, if Linden was named coach or GM I would be terrified. But team president isnt all that demanding a role comparatively speaking.
Honestly, I dont even like our ownership; they tend to be fairly unpleasant individuals from what I have heard.
However, that doesnt mean I feel it necessary to adopt whatever narrative in order to convince myself they are deluded, corrupt and incapable of making intelligent decisions. I cant draw any conclusions either way, but even you must admit that hiring a guy with questionable credentials like Gillis panned out fairly well.
I have no problem admitting that was a good decision (at least for a while, before he started to freak out and try to take the team in a dozen different directions at once, and I will add that I felt the eventual decision to part ways with Gillis was rather academic)
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Agreed.
I have no idea how Garrison is a move that didn't work out, considering he led the team D in scoring...
Disagree with pretty much everything here, but particularly the bolded. Nothing is ever so black and white like you're making it seem.
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