Confirmed with Link: Canucks fire GM Jim Benning, AGM John Weisbrod - Part II

[Snatcher Demko]

One idiot enabled the other idiot.

Pretty much. Don't forget the owner too. That is mediocrity at best (and often much worse) on three fundamental levels of the organization.

 

[Melvin]

Guys, I’m going to be honest.

i still can’t quite believe this happened.

 

[Intangibos]

It's just like the Benning defense of "ownership made him do it".

Ownership might have demanded we compete immediately but that didn't have to mean paying a ton to acquire gudbranson, leaking assets with every transaction, letting tons of ufa's walk for free, doubling down on mistakes by extending the mistakes to large contracts, etc.

Benning and ownership might have demanded that Green play a collapsing defensive system, or whatever they're implying he was required to do, but that doesn't mean it had to be... whatever it actually was.

Nor is there any way to excuse every young player completely stagnating under green after the first half of their rookie season. Or his inability to teach literally anyone to PK. Or his constant bench minors. Or his patented "maximum confusion and hatred"™ style of benching rookies immediately after they scored or had a good game, or made one mistake.

They both sucked, their sucking was synergistic with each other, and most of the team hated both of them. Idk why the media is still fighting this.

The trifecta of suck

 

[Gstank]

Didnt he overrule the scouts that year?

Did he somehow lose all the knowledge on that years prospects he gained being part of Bostons scouting team when moving to Van?

How about we dont ignore 2014?

He said he wasnt going to use knowledge that was gained in Boston of their draft board to make his decision for the 2014 draft. the 2014 draft was purely based on what the scouts in Vancouver had to say. While Bostons 2014 draft was the whole year of Benning on theur staff looking at players. It was also rumoured the Aquilini told Virtanens agent the Canucks were going to take him if he was available and at the time it wasnt a reach at all.

11 months of Benning being a scouting for Bostons 2014 draft vs like a 1 month in Vancouver picking based on what our scouts said. Its pretty obvious which one we should be valuing. Also 2014 is the outliar in Bennings drafting with no NHL players. Every other year with 2 top 100 picks he has found at least 1 player.

 

[vanuck]

Benning wanted Bleackley over McCann if he was available. Thankfully the Avs took him one spot before us.

Plus he was totally on board with taking Virtanen instead of somebody like Ehlers or Larkin who the scouts were rumoured to have liked.

So much for the 2014 draft purely being based on what the Canucks' scouts had to say.

 

[RandV]

Benning wanted Bleackley over McCann if he was available. Thankfully the Avs took him one spot before us.

Plus he was totally on board with taking Virtanen instead of somebody like Ehlers or Larkin who the scouts were rumoured to have liked.

So much for the 2014 draft purely being based on what the Canucks' scouts had to say.

To honour the memory of the great talent whisperer Jim Benning, it seemed pretty clear that first draft that every department got a pick and with the Canucks last selection Ron Delorme took Mackenze Stewart. Benning was so on board with this pick that less than a year later he gave the kid a totally deserved pro-contract, then tried to force him onto Utica. Where he wasn't any good and had to get demoted to the ECHL. Where again he couldn't cut it and got demoted back to the WHL for his overage season.

 

[Melvin]

To honour the memory of the great talent whisperer Jim Benning, it seemed pretty clear that first draft that every department got a pick and with the Canucks last selection Ron Delorme took Mackenze Stewart. Benning was so on board with this pick that less than a year later he gave the kid a totally deserved pro-contract, then tried to force him onto Utica. Where he wasn't any good and had to get demoted to the ECHL. Where again he couldn't cut it and got demoted back to the WHL for his overage season.

The Mackenze Stewart incident was probably the most illustrative moment early on that our GM didn't have the faintest idea how anything worked.

 

[God]

People always talk about Mackenze Stewart but the worst part is that he followed the Kyle Pettit selection, a January birthday who had 10 points in 53 games that year as a forward and was barely 0.5 PPG when he was playing in the Canadian University league.

 

[Melvin]

People always talk about Mackenze Stewart but the worst part is that he followed the Kyle Pettit selection, a January birthday who had 10 points in 53 games that year as a forward and was barely 0.5 PPG when he was playing in the Canadian University league.

they were both horrible picks but only Stewart got a contract

 

[M2Beezy]

Man Im still loving this thread almost TWO weeks later

Getting close to thread #3. These first two should be forever stickied

 

[drax0s]

But somehow Benning wasnt good at drafting

Drafting wasnt his issue everything else was.

So... what's the end goal here? Benning isn't coming back.

 

[M2Beezy]

So... what's the end goal here? Benning isn't coming back.

If it werent for Benning we would NEVER have made the playoffs in 2015 and 2020. Hes just THAT good

 

[mathonwy]

So... what's the end goal here? Benning isn't coming back.

Shitting on Jimbo is always a noble goal.

 

[drax0s]

Shitting on Jimbo is always a noble goal.

Yeah, for sure. I'm just wondering why anyone would be defending Benning right now. There's zero reason.

 

[Grub]

He said he wasnt going to use knowledge that was gained in Boston of their draft board to make his decision for the 2014 draft. the 2014 draft was purely based on what the scouts in Vancouver had to say. While Bostons 2014 draft was the whole year of Benning on theur staff looking at players. It was also rumoured the Aquilini told Virtanens agent the Canucks were going to take him if he was available and at the time it wasnt a reach at all.

11 months of Benning being a scouting for Bostons 2014 draft vs like a 1 month in Vancouver picking based on what our scouts said. Its pretty obvious which one we should be valuing. Also 2014 is the outliar in Bennings drafting with no NHL players. Every other year with 2 top 100 picks he has found at least 1 player.

Our star goalie was drafted in 2014.

 

[valkynax]

Shitting on Jimbo is always a noble goal.

Yeah, for sure. I'm just wondering why anyone would be defending Benning right now. There's zero reason.

JEB deserves every last bit of ass-whooping he's been getting over the course of his tenure and then some.

The wise words of one Ron Swanson summed up what we feel JEB's 7 years in the Canucks organization has been like: "To me, this situation is a blood soaked nightmarish hellscape."

 

[PuckMunchkin]

He said he wasnt going to use knowledge that was gained in Boston of their draft board to make his decision for the 2014 draft. the 2014 draft was purely based on what the scouts in Vancouver had to say. While Bostons 2014 draft was the whole year of Benning on theur staff looking at players. It was also rumoured the Aquilini told Virtanens agent the Canucks were going to take him if he was available and at the time it wasnt a reach at all.

11 months of Benning being a scouting for Bostons 2014 draft vs like a 1 month in Vancouver picking based on what our scouts said. Its pretty obvious which one we should be valuing. Also 2014 is the outliar in Bennings drafting with no NHL players. Every other year with 2 top 100 picks he has found at least 1 player.

And you trust him when he said that?

He has been pretty hit or miss with his 1st rounders.

Surely you dont think he has been scouting while GM:ing in vancouver? He should have his hands full running a hockey club.

 

[God]

they were both horrible picks but only Stewart got a contract

oh my god i forgot they *signed* him

 

[DS7]

Man Im still loving this thread almost TWO weeks later

Getting close to thread #3. These first two should be forever stickied

This can be here two years later and I'll still be happy

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

damn Benning sucked so bad lol

 

[rypper]

damn Benning sucked so bad lol

I can't believe how long it lasted too. Like a prison sentence.

 

[Hit the post]

I can't believe how long it lasted too. Like a prison sentence.

A prison sentence in the US.

 

[overboard]

The Mackenze Stewart incident was probably the most illustrative moment early on that our GM didn't have the faintest idea how anything worked.

Ugh. For me it was the Kesler trade, specifically the assets he took back.

Learning that he actually actively pursued Sbisa made the alarm bells go off hard for me.

And then, when he ran the only player of value in that transaction out of town and actully re-upped the Pizzaman with a $1..5M raise, I knew we were truly in The Dark Ages.

By the time McCann was traded away, I had already abandoned following the team anymore. It was crystal clear by that point that Benning was pure cancer.

I still cannot fathom that we had to wait five and half freaking years after that for him to get canned. Just mindblowing.

 

[WTG]

Ugh. For me it was the Kesler trade, specifically the assets he took back.

Learning that he actually actively pursued Sbisa made the alarm bells go off hard for me.

And then, when he ran the only player of value in that transaction out of town and actully re-upped the Pizzaman with a $1..5M raise, I knew we were truly in The Dark Ages.

By the time McCann was traded away, I had already abandoned following the team anymore. It was crystal clear by that point that Benning was pure cancer.

I still cannot fathom that we had to wait five and half freaking years after that for him to get canned. Just mindblowing.

He re'signed Pizza Man BEFORE the playoffs thinking that he'd be cheaper to sign now than after the playoffs. Presumably thinking he'd have a good playoffs.

 

[M2Beezy]

He re'signed Pizza Man BEFORE the playoffs thinking that he'd be cheaper to sign now than after the playoffs. Presumably thinking he'd have a good playoffs.

Yeah but that was kind of Lindens fault. And Green didnt deploy Sbisa properly anyways