Confirmed with Link: Canucks draft Jordan Subban #115 overall (4th Round)

[Soth]

It's actually quite common.

it is not. less than 20%

 

[Aphid Attraction]

With all this nice weather they should plant him in some fertile soil and water him every day until training camp in September. If only he was a plant!

One of these guys will get him there...

Too far?

 

[Aphid Attraction]

it is not. less than 20%

If something is about 20% I would say that is Common.

 

[Soth]

If something is about 20% I would say that is Common.

I said it was very unlikely he has a growth spurt, and someone disagreed saying 'it is actually quite common'

imo 80% chance of something not happening is very unlikely... I don't know why I am explaining this, obviously people that don't know what I mean are a little dense.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

i said it was very unlikely he has a growth spurt, and someone disagreed saying 'it is actually quite common'

imo 80% chance of something not happening is very unlikely... I don't know why i am explaining this, obviously people that don't know what i mean are a little dense.

if something has a 20% chance of happening in the population then I would say its common, red heads are quite common and they make up 1-2% of people, 20% is good odds IMO, also people that get all arrogant when someone disagrees with them are a little dense.

 

[Soth]

if something has a 20% chance of happening in the population then I would say its common, red heads are quite common and they make up 1-2% of people, 20% is good odds IMO, also people that get all arrogant when someone disagrees with them are a little dense.

It is nice discussing semantics with you. My original statement was 'it is very unlikely'

When there are 2 possible outcomes, 1 being greater than 80 percent to happen, that outcome becomes likely, the other option becomes unlikely.

I shouldn't really need to go into this much detail, you are obviously trolling me here. I am done with this conversation.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

It is nice discussing semantics with you. My original statement was 'it is very unlikely'

When there are 2 possible outcomes, 1 being greater than 80 percent to happen, that outcome becomes likely, the other option becomes unlikely.

I shouldn't really need to go into this much detail, you are obviously trolling me here. I am done with this conversation.

I was just pointing out that 20% is not uncommon, also I am wondering where you got the 20% chance from? has that figure taken into account family genetics?

 

[jigsaw99]

Jordan needs some of that HGH that Tanev took.

 

[timw33]

Subban Highlight real by the Bulls. Kid has some skills:http://www.bellevillebulls.com/video/index/id/0c9baa65beea917eadeb5f7a9433e82b

 

[vanuck]

You're probably right... but how many guys do you know that are 5'8" that have two brothers over 6'?

Is P.K over 6'? I always thought he was right at that number. There was a chart showing how he grew two inches from a height of 5'10 in his draft year.

 

[ahmon]

I'm really excited about this pick.

Sure he's a midget but his skating might allow him to beat his size issues.

Offensive defensemen midgets like m.a bergeron/Ian white don't have his mobility.

He has better hands than P.K and that says something.

If he grows then we have a potential all-star.

 

[pahlsson]

Subban Highlight real by the Bulls. Kid has some skills:http://www.bellevillebulls.com/video/index/id/0c9baa65beea917eadeb5f7a9433e82b

he got better shootout moves than anyone on our roster

also, noticed his numbers dipped in the playoffs, anyone who watched the bulls know what happened there

 

[PhilMick]

he got better shootout moves than anyone on our roster

also, noticed his numbers dipped in the playoffs, anyone who watched the bulls know what happened there

Probably just because by the end of the year they had actually acquired a couple forwards that could score. The first half of the season their leading scorers were Gaunce and then two or three d-men.

 

[Drop the Sopel]

Love this pick. Watched a couple Bulls games last year and came away impressed. nice little highlight package as well. He may be small but he's strong and obviously isn't timid, judging by his showing in those 2 fights.

Subban is 1 inch shorter than Max Domi. Wouldn't write him off because he's 5'9.

 

[Canucker]

I care less about his projected size and more about his mental game...I think he can overcome his size if he has the same confidence and "moxie" a his brother...the talent is there, the drive seems to be there...if he has the same confidence I think he'll be a very good NHL'er, despite his small stature.

 

[denkiteki]

I care less about his projected size and more about his mental game...I think he can overcome his size if he has the same confidence and "moxie" a his brother...the talent is there, the drive seems to be there...if he has the same confidence I think he'll be a very good NHL'er, despite his small stature.

For a D in the West, that could be an issue considering all Cali teams are built pretty much the same... big strong skaters, cycle, etc... an undersize dman will probably has some issues handling them... more so since we would be playing them 18 times a year. On top of some other teams (like Boston) that also feature quite a similar style.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I just have a really good feeling about this kid. Something tells me he's already determined to prove himself after falling the furthest of his brothers...don't think he's going to accept them making the NHL without him on top of that.

 

[Canucks LB]

Subban Highlight real by the Bulls. Kid has some skills:http://www.bellevillebulls.com/video/index/id/0c9baa65beea917eadeb5f7a9433e82b

holy **** this guy is much more skilled then I thought, I no doubt see some PK subban in him

 

[Luck 6]

There are only 3 defensemen in the NHL that are his height or less: Krug, Bouillon, and Spurgeon. Krug seemed interesting in his limited showing this past post season, Spurgeon seemed okay this season as well, and Bouillon has never been anything special. These small players usually can't become much more than PP specialists since it is difficult to handle much larger forwards at their size. I'd love for Subban to prove me wrong, but I don't see him being much more than a #6 defenseman in the NHL unless he grows a couple of inches.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

There are only 3 defensemen in the NHL that are his height or less: Krug, Bouillon, and Spurgeon. Krug seemed interesting in his limited showing this past post season, Spurgeon seemed okay this season as well, and Bouillon has never been anything special. These small players usually can't become much more than PP specialists since it is difficult to handle much larger forwards at their size. I'd love for Subban to prove me wrong, but I don't see him being much more than a #6 defenseman in the NHL unless he grows a couple of inches.

6th/7th d-men with a 4th round pick is fine though.

 

[arsmaster*]

6th/7th d-men with a 4th round pick is fine though.

No doubt.

I just did the same research and if Krug, Spurgeon and Boullion can make it, it has me a little more optimistic.

Cautiously optimistic.

If he even plays games in the NHL ever, it's a pretty solid pick at #115.

 

[Luck 6]

6th/7th d-men with a 4th round pick is fine though.

Well sure, agreed. It's a great pick, really. If he grows a bit he really has the potential to be much more than that, so its a classic low risk high reward pick. I'm very happy with it, I just want to make sure people temper their expectations.

 

[particularsolution]

There has to be a realistic chance he still has some room to grow. Both brothers over 6'0, his dad seems to be the same height as well, PK grew 1.5" after the draft... you have to think it's possible he catches up to them. I can think of at least 2 or 3 friends from high school that grew significantly from 18-20 years old. Would be an absolute steal if that happens.

 

[82Ninety42011]

I'm happy with the pick you can't teach skill and still could grow another inch or two. Worst case scenario he's a 3rd pairing d and PP specialist if he keeps developing. If he grows another 3 inches he could be our saviour . Well thats being optimistic but hey why not.

 

[Saturated Fats]

That highlight package shows a wonderful skill-set with the puck... but you have to think it will be different in the NHL. There is a lot less room to maneuver, as the guys are generally bigger. Further, I noticed he had a lot of time to hold the puck for the perfect shot from the blue line to just above the center ice circle; he wont be able to do that in the bigs, thanks to high umbrella formations and aggressive center icemen.

Further, that highlight package showed exactly one defensive play, a sweep check on a charging forward. It didn't show any hits, and down-low containment or takeaways, which are integral elements to defense in today's NHL.

If he can grow another 2 inches or so, he will be on the gravy train. As it stands right now, he doesn't suit today's NHL defensive game. He is like a Coffey-type; an offensive d-man from a bygone era. Hell, even Erik Karlsson, who is considered "small" by defenseman standards, is 6'0, 180. I DO like that the kid seems to be okay with fighting, though.