Post-Game Talk: Canucks def. Coyotes - 5-1 (Horvat x2, Chiasson x2, Pettersson)

[me2]

Chaisson's a friggen star - who knew. Well its garbage time and Coyotes are terrible so.... Like any assessment, at this point, needs to be recognized that circumstances must be considered. One thing for sure is that the Yotes know how to go about tanking - something the Canucks should have learned over the years when they going for every point when they didn't have damn chance of making the playoffs

Good

Horvat - guy keeps pumping in the goals and winning face-offs. Strong game in every way tonight

Pettersson - one of the best things to like is how persistent he is on the puck and how he keeps control of it. Another very good game.

Podkolzin - is making amazing improvements. With Garland best on the team at retrieving the puck. Some nice passes in this game. Shows he can control the puck and not move till he wants to.

Halak - made some very important saves early on and overall was good. Got helped by the off-side call but showing he is still NHL caliber.

Chaisson - getting into possible contract time and Chaisson knows which side his bread is butter on. He was excellent all over the ice and moved puck well. Ending the season strong.

OEL - assumed a leadership position with Hughes out of the lineup. HIs play of the PP makes you wonder if he is better there a than Hughes. Again I think being with Schenn helped

Myers - you can criticize Myers all you want but he was a force in this game and the best d-man on the ice

Weak

Dickinson - can make a case he was adequate and for the most part he was. However, he is an absolute dead end offensively and still very weak along the boards. Play on the one goal against was mostly Dermott's fault but Dickinson was terribly slow and weak reacting to the turnover.

Others

Hunt - another very solid game and I can see were you could call good in this game.

Burroughs - comes to compete and a physical presence. However, gets caught up ice too much. If he could improve reads and get a little more ahead of the play would be close to being a bona vide NHLer.

Dermott - stepped up play in the last couple of games. Forced the play badly on the goal against but was ok on the PK and is showing increased mobility.

Lochwood - best game to date. Seems some hope for this player if he can improve passing and game sense.

Watching the putrid Eriksson ass around giving a half hearted effort brought back terrible memories. Disgraceful yet hugely rich player. Beagle was no better and the best that can be said of him in this game is that he didn't go after one of weaker players.

Given Arizona is utterly bereft of talent I'm not surprised most of the defence looked good.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You know what time of the year it is!?

Its time to, play our veterans who have no long term future with the team, while winning meaningless games to lower our draft capital!

Can I get a "Hell Yea!" ?

 

[Get North]

Post Game, Bo Horvat.

Post Game, Alex Chiasson

They need to bring back Joey Kenward's post-game scrum live. I know it's for home games, but they've stopped doing it..

You know what time of the year it is!?

Its time to, play our veterans who have no long term future with the team, while winning meaningless games to lower our draft capital!

Can I get a "Hell Yea!" ?

Juho, Podkolzin and Lockwood had good games. They'll be in the line-up next year in addition to most of our top 9 forwards... It's the defence that needs the most improvement and it seems Hunt is playing better than Dermott. So I sure would like to see Rathbone.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Juho, Podkolzin and Lockwood had good games. They'll be in the line-up next year in addition to most of our top 9 forwards... It's the defence that needs the most improvement and it seems Hunt is playing better than Dermott. So I sure would like to see Rathbone.

I would really like to not see Chiasson and OEL on the 1st PP.

 

[David71]

who knew chaisson and petey had chemistry setting each other up for goals in b2b games.

 

[Hammer79]

LOL at all the losers who've been trashing Horvat all season. He is a god damn 30-goal scorer! Re-sign him!

He scores 2 goals vs the worst team in the league so you think anyone criticizing him is a loser? That's rich.

He's going to want $7m AAV... for a C who has 19 assists. Centers aren't supposed to have more goals than assists. He's great overall in the faceoff dot, but we can find a 3C faceoff specialist to replace Dickenson and play on the pk. He generates most of his offense off of turnovers in tight and pots goals off the rush as well, but he is consistently getting burnt on the wrong side of the puck. He's not a puck distributor by any stretch and doesn't make his line-mates better. People like to laud his supposed defensive instincts, but he's average to below average away form the puck and is part of our PK problem. He'll have a good game like this every once in a while and the fans go overboard with the captain stuff.

He is what he is at this point, he's not turning into Ryan Kesler. A more apt comparison might be a prime Brandon Sutter due to his tendency to be a shoot first C with low assist totals.

 

[Soups On]

He scores 2 goals vs the worst team in the league so you think anyone criticizing him is a loser? That's rich.

He's going to want $7m AAV... for a C who has 19 assists. Centers aren't supposed to have more goals than assists. He's great overall in the faceoff dot, but we can find a 3C faceoff specialist to replace Dickenson and play on the pk. He generates most of his offense off of turnovers in tight and pots goals off the rush as well, but he is consistently getting burnt on the wrong side of the puck. He's not a puck distributor by any stretch and doesn't make his line-mates better. People like to laud his supposed defensive instincts, but he's average to below average away form the puck and is part of our PK problem. He'll have a good game like this every once in a while and the fans go overboard with the captain stuff.

He is what he is at this point, he's not turning into Ryan Kesler. A more apt comparison might be a prime Brandon Sutter due to his tendency to be a shoot first C with low assist totals.

What in the actual. Look, Horvat should be absolutely criticized for his general lacklustre and passive play for the majority of the year.

But in no way is a prime Brandon god damn Sutter an apt comparison because he has more goals this year than assists. This year and his rookie season are the ONLY seasons in which he's had more goals than assists.

Centers aren't supposed to have more goals than assists is funny - there are different types of players and line set-ups in the league. The best goal scorer this season is a center with significantly more goals than assists.

Does Horvat need to improve his vision or passing? Yeah, he also needs to quit trying to toe drag and get back to the bulldozer style of play that let him consistently win board battles in years past. Brandon Sutter is terrible comparison lol

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

He scores 2 goals vs the worst team in the league so you think anyone criticizing him is a loser? That's rich.

He's going to want $7m AAV... for a C who has 19 assists. Centers aren't supposed to have more goals than assists. He's great overall in the faceoff dot, but we can find a 3C faceoff specialist to replace Dickenson and play on the pk. He generates most of his offense off of turnovers in tight and pots goals off the rush as well, but he is consistently getting burnt on the wrong side of the puck. He's not a puck distributor by any stretch and doesn't make his line-mates better. People like to laud his supposed defensive instincts, but he's average to below average away form the puck and is part of our PK problem. He'll have a good game like this every once in a while and the fans go overboard with the captain stuff.

He is what he is at this point, he's not turning into Ryan Kesler. A more apt comparison might be a prime Brandon Sutter due to his tendency to be a shoot first C with low assist totals.

we disagree majorly on the sutter comparison (tbh peak carolina/pittsburgh sutter was a significantly better defensive player), but on the whole i think you’re pretty otm here.

horvat is kind of the new bieksa where he is hugely overvalued and everybody thinks he is something that he clearly is not. for bieksa it was him neing misidentified as a blood and guts defensive rock, where really he was a high event B/B+ offensive guy who could fight.

but like bieksa i also wonder of his value to the team for culture reasons exceeds what he can bring back in a trade, even if on pure on ice value he should be able to bring back more than he provides.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Chaisson - getting into possible contract time and Chaisson knows which side his bread is butter on. He was excellent all over the ice and moved puck well. Ending the season strong

f*** this guy

OEL - assumed a leadership position with Hughes out of the lineup. HIs play of the PP makes you wonder if he is better there a than Hughes. Again I think being with Schenn helped

being that we’re stuck with him, he probably is best suited to the first unit. the best canucks team offensively, imo, was 2010, when kesler and ehrhoff were on the second unit with sammy and raymond, with iirc edler mostly on the other point. they were actually better than our top unit with the sedins, salo, and demitra.

would love to see the talent spread around and have OEL’s shit open up space for petey, bo, and if he’s still here boeser on the first unit, with hughes running his own second unit, with garland, hog, pod, and guys like that.

Watching the putrid Eriksson ass around giving a half hearted effort brought back terrible memories. Disgraceful yet hugely rich player. Beagle was no better and the best that can be said of him in this game is that he didn't go after one of weaker players.

would have enjoyed watching richardson fight snoopy. would have been a mismatch but could have been therapeutic in an odjick vs strudwick sorta way.

i mean did beagle ever take exception to anything that ever happened in marky or demko’s crease? f*** him too

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

 

[Vector]

being that we’re stuck with him, he probably is best suited to the first unit. the best canucks team offensively, imo, was 2010, when kesler and ehrhoff were on the second unit with sammy and raymond, with iirc edler mostly on the other point. they were actually better than our top unit with the sedins, salo, and demitra.

would love to see the talent spread around and have OEL’s shit open up space for petey, bo, and if he’s still here boeser on the first unit, with hughes running his own second unit, with garland, hog, pod, and guys like that.

Well...the 2011 team's #1 PP, which was #1st in the league, were Daniel-Henrik-Kesler with Salo-Ehrhoff on the points. Ehrhoff was the one who was the expert at gaining entry and getting them set up then would rotate with Henrik as the primary puck distributor while Daniel and Kesler would alternate would was in front of the net and who was the trigger man. Salo was the secondary shooter and had a keen knack for floating high or low for point shots. That unit had A LOT of movement and would cause so much chaos for the PK while still being in complete control.

I don't necessarily disagree with spreading out the PP units but then the coaches need to commit to giving them equal time and rotating who starts where.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Podkolzin is only going to get better

Can he get worse? He has not scored a goal in 16 games and has 10 goals in 70 games. Been an absolute trash first year for a 10 overall.

 

[Vector]

The Podkolzin dichotomy is hilarious. He's either oustanding or trash.

Really, he's had a very average first season. And that is fine and makes sense. The team was a tire fire to start the season and experience a full regime change a few months into his NHL career. He's shuffled up and down the lineup. Clearly has some NHL skills (shot and skating standout the most) but has struggled to put everything together for long periods of time and hasn't shown a lot of playmaking ability.

What I like to focus on is the not so obvious developmental advancements. Like his awareness has got better as the season has gone on and he's finishing the season with energy rather than being exhausted. His speed and strength are getting better since he's been better at utilizing them when opportunities arise.

Right now, I would expect a 30+ point campaign from him next season with a bit of 2nd unit PP duty. Preferably, he gets some PK shifts. His profile, at draft time, was something of a second-line goal scoring power winger and, from what I've seen, that sounds about right.

 

[HeLord]

He scores 2 goals vs the worst team in the league so you think anyone criticizing him is a loser? That's rich.

He's going to want $7m AAV... for a C who has 19 assists. Centers aren't supposed to have more goals than assists. He's great overall in the faceoff dot, but we can find a 3C faceoff specialist to replace Dickenson and play on the pk. He generates most of his offense off of turnovers in tight and pots goals off the rush as well, but he is consistently getting burnt on the wrong side of the puck. He's not a puck distributor by any stretch and doesn't make his line-mates better. People like to laud his supposed defensive instincts, but he's average to below average away form the puck and is part of our PK problem. He'll have a good game like this every once in a while and the fans go overboard with the captain stuff.

He is what he is at this point, he's not turning into Ryan Kesler. A more apt comparison might be a prime Brandon Sutter due to his tendency to be a shoot first C with low assist totals.

LOL, what a bad take. He scored 30 goals, but you think I'm only talking about the two he scored last night? Not all of his goals came from bad teams.

 

[valkynax]

You know what time of the year it is!?

Its time to, play our veterans who have no long term future with the team, while winning meaningless games to lower our draft capital!

Can I get a "Hell Yea!" ?

JEB would've been like "Alex scoring goals, we geeb heem beeg contract. He good play, he foundational. He have leadersheep."

 

[RutherPlan]

The thing about this team is they win in such a convincing fashion.

They could have just won the game yesterday, been outshot, or lack possession and score by lucky bounces. However, they dominated the game like they were like the TB lightning.

 

[Vector]

JEB would've been like "Alex scoring goals, we geeb heem beeg contract. He good play, he foundational. He have leadersheep."

Have you seen the posts around here about resigned Chiasson and Hunt? It's insane.

 

[Vector]

The thing about this team is they win in such a convincing fashion.

They could have just won the game yesterday, been outshot, or lack possession and score by lucky bounces. However, they dominated the game like they were like the TB lightning.

They dominated a team without their best players and playing a goalie they grabbed off waivers from Europe. Starting next season, they are literally a college hockey team. It's all smoke and mirrors. The Vegas and Colorado games are the only ones where they won and looked good.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Can he get worse? He has not scored a goal in 16 games and has 10 goals in 70 games. Been an absolute trash first year for a 10 overall.

He has excellent ES production relative to ice time. Also, he's had an above-average rookie season relative to other players drafted at his position, and at a younger age than most of them:

NHL Players selected at the 10th draft position at hockeydb.com

All players selected with the 10th position in the NHL draft

www.hockeydb.com

 

[Johnny Canucker]

He has excellent ES production relative to ice time. Also, he's had an above-average rookie season relative to other players drafted at his position, and at a younger age than most of them:

NHL Players selected at the 10th draft position at hockeydb.com

All players selected with the 10th position in the NHL draft

www.hockeydb.com

Nope.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Whoops, wrong thread.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Nope.

Which of those statements do you believe aren't true, and what grounds do you have for believing this?

 

[krutovsdonut]

it has been a while since i have seen a team give fewer damns than the yotes did last night.

carcone stood out simply because he was one of the few guys who seemed to have any more agenda than to get through the game. glad to see him getting a shot.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Which of those statements do you believe aren't true, and what grounds do you have for believing this?

You’re never gonna get me to believe that 0 goals in 17 and 10 goals total in 70 games for a #10 overall is great. Never.

 

[m9]

I think Podkolzin was basically a replacement-level guy 4th-line guy for most of the season, but I've really liked what he's shown the last few weeks. I still have some long-term questions about his ability to score goals and finish around the net but I think for next year he will be a fine complementary top-9 piece if he can continue at this level.