Rumor: Canucks could flip Lindholm to Boston if they acquire Guentzel

[The Grim Reaper]

I feel bad for the west coast hockey mod that had to login and immediately realize they had to clean-up a hockey porn discussion on a Wednesday night in a Guentzel trade thread.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Which you also don't get, because your team is cheap with prospects.

That isn’t close to true.

We have given very good packages for players but just not chosen.

Calgary wanted to win now. They choose the win now package. Calgary is regretting that now. Trevling isnt.

Pettersson package was just to force EP’s hand

We offered SJS a package that Seravalli said was better. Meier wanted to go to NJ

 

[Empoleon8771]

That isn’t close to true.

We have given very good packages for players but just not chosen.

Calgary wanted to win now. They choose the win now package. Calgary is regretting that now. Trevling isnt.

Pettersson package was just to force EP’s hand

We offered SJS a package that Seravalli said was better. Meier wanted to go to NJ

Because your team is cheap and continuously gets outbid for these players.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Will the Canes putting an offer in? Yes or no?

Friedman keeps reporting you guys may be the front runners

We likely have an offer but not an overwhelming one that would make dubs pull the trigger. We aren’t likely to give up what Dubas wants because JG is a UFA

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Trading big in the deadline rarely leads to success but people hold dearly onto this for some reason

I mean, there are numerous success stories of this occurring. Kessel?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I mean, there are numerous success stories of this occurring. Kessel?

And there are 4-6x more of it not

 

[orby]

I mean, there are numerous success stories of this occurring. Kessel?

Kessel wasn't acquired at the deadline. That was an off-season trade.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I mean, there are numerous success stories of this occurring. Kessel?

Kings getting Gaborik in 2014 is another example.

 

[oceanchild]

No way we give up hog and Lindholm for Guentzel. That would make us a worse team, and add another hole in the top 6. Makes zero sense.

 

[Taluss]

That isn’t close to true.

We have given very good packages for players but just not chosen.

Calgary wanted to win now. They choose the win now package. Calgary is regretting that now. Trevling isnt.

Pettersson package was just to force EP’s hand

We offered SJS a package that Seravalli said was better. Meier wanted to go to NJ

*Delete first paragraph.

With all these names it just makes me think they may step it up for a player like Jake. Especially since the best offer doesn't seem extreme now.

 

[God]

And there are 4-6x more of it not

Isn't that just due to the fact that 15 playoff teams don't win?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Who has more value?​

1. Guentzel - 29 year old who has 8 years of approx. avg. 50 points per year ( best player in this trade)​

2. DeBrusk - 27 year old who has 7 years of approx. avg. 40 points per year ( 2nd best with being younger and tons of potential)​

3. Lindholm- 29 year old who has 10 years of approx. avg 50 points per year ( 3rd because he is solid but appears to be on the decline)​

Who has more value:

Guentzel: 466 points in 503 games in his career, 76 points per 82 games
DeBrusk: 255 points in 447 games in his career, 47 points per 82 games
Lindholm: 551 points in 807 games in his career while also being a 2-way center, 56 points per 82 games

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Isn't that just due to the fact that 15 playoff teams don't win?

Some and some that rentals perform poorly

 

[JetsFan815]

Because your team is cheap and continuously gets outbid for these players.

Carolina is incredibly disciplined management group who decide what they are willing to give and don't get sucked into the frenzy at the deadline. Dozens of 1st round picks have been moved at deadlines and most of those teams don't have cups. Carolina has a sustainable approach to roster building, something they have my respect for.

 

[Ryder71]

No way we give up hog and Lindholm for Guentzel. That would make us a worse team, and add another hole in the top 6. Makes zero sense.

And no way we just get HOG back, that wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Ogelthorpe]

Who has more value?​

1. Guentzel - 29 year old who has 8 years of approx. avg. 50 points per year ( best player in this trade)​

2. DeBrusk - 27 year old who has 7 years of approx. avg. 40 points per year ( 2nd best with being younger and tons of potential)​

3. Lindholm- 29 year old who has 10 years of approx. avg 50 points per year ( 3rd because he is solid but appears to be on the decline)​

Your math skills need some work my man!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Carolina is incredibly disciplined management group who decide what they are willing to give and don't get sucked into the frenzy at the deadline. Dozens of 1st round picks have been moved at deadlines and most of those teams don't have cups. Carolina has a sustainable approach to roster building, something they have my respect for.

Yes, that's what Carolina is going for. Sustained success. They're not trying to win cups, they're trying to stay consistently good.

They're cheap with prospects and picks. They don't spend assets on rentals at all, where they only go after cost controlled young players, but also aren't willing to out-bid other teams for those young players. They're always in on these top young players because they have a plethora of assets, but they never trade for any of them because they're stingy with those assets and aren't willing to out-bid other teams. They're the Tampa Bay Rays of the NHL.

It's a fantastic way to build a long-term successful franchise. It's not a great way to take a successful franchise into a top franchise. If you will never make the jump to push your team from "good" to "great", you'll never end up "great".

 

[PB37]

Damn, I almost nailed it. I had it being Ullmark, not DeBrusk.

 

[oceanchild]

And no way we just get HOG back, that wouldn't make much sense.

I didn’t say that did I ?

 

[Khrox]

Is Boston on Drugs? What do they possibly see in Lindholm? He looks straight trash

Lindy's best year was with wingers who did a lot of the heavy work (Gaudreau on the rush, Tkachuk in the corners). Having him center Marchand and either Pasta or whoever Debrusk's replacement is (assuming he gets shipped out) could replicate that similar thing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yohe isn't a super reliable source, but worth sharing anyway.

Also this reply is hilarious and true:

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Yohe isn't a super reliable source, but worth sharing anyway.

Also this reply is hilarious and true:

Rutherford mouthpiece lol

 

[Ryder71]

I didn’t say that did I ?

PIT is gonna fair well. Not sure if we do a deal with VAN but I know how JR is. And he'll overpay when he wants something. If I were you I'd be a bit concerned. IF again such a deal is consummated.

 

[bigbadbruins1]

why the heck is Boston so obsessed with Elias??? He's not going to make this team go any deeper in the playoffs. Keep our assets and stop trading what little futures we have for middling players please.

 

[Ryder71]

Rutherford mouthpiece lol

Well, that's ok, there's only six or 15 other teams.