GDT: Canes at cbj

[The Faulker 27]

Hey, maybe we wait to see what the next 5-6 games look like before we start talking about waiving anyone? We’ve got time.

But Mcbackup is the next Thomas.

 

[Tryamw]

But Mcbackup is the next Thomas.

Could always waive me.. not that I'm on the roster but ....

 

[Roboturner913]

I don't know what to think about Mrazek. He had some good years in Detroit before the whole team went markedly south. Philly had to be something about the individual situation that he didn't mesh there. He went from a respectable .910 in Detroit to .891 with the Flyers. I think it's more likely that the "real" Mrazek is a .910 to .920 kind of guy, which we can almost certainly work with. Hopefully he clears waivers and we can keep him but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else sees him as a worthwhile reclamation project.

 

[Lempo]

There is a real cost of living discount that comes with Carolina. Making 8 million in Carolina is a lot more than making 8 million in New York or DC. I assume that gets factored in, and why Carolina sometimes gets players signed for less than market value.

Any player doing this should fire their agent, because tradeability is a part of the SPC and barring a NMC the player can end up playing in Alberta with the contract he foolishly signed on false assumption of paying sunbelt taxes in low-cost town.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

people know we don't have to waive anyone as soon as darling comes back, right? we have an open roster slot

 

[MinJaBen]

people know we don't have to waive anyone as soon as darling comes back, right? we have an open roster slot

Yeah, I don’t see why we can’t just roll with theee for some time until we are sure Darling is 100% and two of them are playing well.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

people know we don't have to waive anyone as soon as darling comes back, right? we have an open roster slot

We already waived Mrazek, apparently.

 

[Canes]

people know we don't have to waive anyone as soon as darling comes back, right? we have an open roster slot

Hence my "McBackup will force us to carry 3 goalies" post way early in this thread.

I don't think there's a chance in hell we waive McElhinney anytime soon without seeing how Darling and Mrazek progress the next month or two.

 

[FreshSeabass]

To echo others lets see C Mac in more than one game before we go on about waving people unless it's PDG then see ya.

 

[Canes]

To echo others lets see C Mac in more than one game before we go on about waving people unless it's PDG then see ya.

We can even keep PDG when Darling comes back. 23 man roster.

 

[Ole Gil]

To echo others lets see C Mac in more than one game before we go on about waving people unless it's PDG then see ya.

I'm confident C Mac will be competing with Greiss for the Vezina this year.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I have to ask - what's with all the "likes"? I'm not used to getting them for mundane posts like "Nice feed."

We want you to feel that you're doing well.

There is a real cost of living discount that comes with Carolina. Making 8 million in Carolina is a lot more than making 8 million in New York or DC. I assume that gets factored in, and why Carolina sometimes gets players signed for less than market value.

There's nothing really beneficial in terms of cost-of-living for an NHL player in Carolina. It's a great area for those of us in the "living-paycheck-to-paycheck" tax bracket, but for the boys in the big leagues, Carolina is at best middle-of-the-pack. Cheaper housing, gas and groceries help those of us who pay for tickets, but for athletes, their take-home pay is affected most by one thing, and one thing only: taxes.

Nevada, Florida, Tennessee and Texas don't collect state income tax. California has a massive state tax of 13.3 percent. North Carolina is at 7.75 percent top tax rate, which is actually on the high side of the middle 40 states (i.e. states that aren't California/New York/New Jersey on the high side or the no state tax states on the low/zero side). At $8 million salary, that's $620,000 per year that goes to the state of North Carolina that members of the Panthers, Lightning, Predators, Golden Knights and Stars get to put in their pockets.

Interesting note, Part I: PA has a low state tax rate of 3.0 percent, but only the Penguins benefit because Philly tacks on a huge city tax -- almost 4 percent -- to its athletes.

Interesting note, Part II, Electric Boogaloo: The highest city/state tax rate combo possible among pro athletes? San Francisco (13.3 state plus 1.4 city = 14.8 percent ... on top of the 39.6 federal, so 54.4 percent of a S.F. Giants or S.F. 49ers salary is gone before a single agent gets paid).

 

[Canes]

We want you to feel that you're doing well.



There's nothing really beneficial in terms of cost-of-living for an NHL player in Carolina. It's a great area for those of us in the "living-paycheck-to-paycheck" tax bracket, but for the boys in the big leagues, Carolina is at best middle-of-the-pack. Cheaper housing, gas and groceries help those of us who pay for tickets, but for athletes, their take-home pay is affected most by one thing, and one thing only: taxes.

Nevada, Florida, Tennessee and Texas don't collect state income tax. California has a massive state tax of 13.3 percent. North Carolina is at 7.75 percent top tax rate, which is actually on the high side of the middle 40 states (i.e. states that aren't California/New York/New Jersey on the high side or the no state tax states on the low/zero side). At $8 million salary, that's $620,000 per year that goes to the state of North Carolina that members of the Panthers, Lightning, Predators, Golden Knights and Stars get to put in their pockets. (Interesting note: PA has a low state tax rate of 3.0 percent, but only the Penguins benefit because Philly tacks on a huge city tax -- almost 4 percent -- to its athletes.)

There are jock taxes though, which affect any pro athlete regardless of where they play. But what you say mostly holds true. I think it highly depends on the player though. To some a couple hundred 100k means nothing as long as they're playing where they want to, whereas that same couple of 100k could be a deal breaker for another, even with the top paid players. It's hard to generalize.

I think de Haan might be a good example for that, although it's hard to say definitively. But from what he and other people have stated this offseason, it seems that extra couple of 100k we offered compared to his other suitors helped bring him here.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

My guess:

1. McE is #2a, Mrazek is #2b for now. We're all hoping that McE won't shit the bed, but c'mon, it's one game. Either way, these are our goalies for now.

2. Darling goes down for a conditioning stint. He's probably not going to be terrible, or even bad. In fact, he'll probably be pretty good.

3. Darling comes back, and the worse of Mrazek/McE goes on waivers, and is probably released since we won't some old dude getting in the way of Booth or Ned.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We want you to feel that you're doing well.



There's nothing really beneficial in terms of cost-of-living for an NHL player in Carolina. It's a great area for those of us in the "living-paycheck-to-paycheck" tax bracket, but for the boys in the big leagues, Carolina is at best middle-of-the-pack. Cheaper housing, gas and groceries help those of us who pay for tickets, but for athletes, their take-home pay is affected most by one thing, and one thing only: taxes.

Nevada, Florida, Tennessee and Texas don't collect state income tax. California has a massive state tax of 13.3 percent. North Carolina is at 7.75 percent top tax rate, which is actually on the high side of the middle 40 states (i.e. states that aren't California/New York/New Jersey on the high side or the no state tax states on the low/zero side). At $8 million salary, that's $620,000 per year that goes to the state of North Carolina that members of the Panthers, Lightning, Predators, Golden Knights and Stars get to put in their pockets. (Interesting note: PA has a low state tax rate of 3.0 percent, but only the Penguins benefit because Philly tacks on a huge city tax -- almost 4 percent -- to its athletes.)

Your point is valid, but it's more complex than that. Professional athletes have to pay taxes in the state they worked in for many states. So for 41 home games, that's NC. For 41 away games, it's the country/state/city they play the game in. The so-called "jock tax". I don't believe every state does this, but a lot of them do. NY state is especially aggressive when it comes to collecting taxes when they think you've worked in their state. I know that for a company I once worked for, NY state would go after expense accounts and if it showed that you were visiting/working in NY state for any period of time, they'd go after you for NY state taxes for the time you spent in NY based on your expense account.

Pittsburgh, for instance, levies another 3% on top of their 3% tax rate for "visiting" players called the "Nonresident Sports Facility Usage Fee". Not sure how they calculate it (games played? practice and games played? Days spent? etc...).

 

[My Special Purpose]

Your point is valid, but it's more complex than that.

Oh, it's incredibly complex. But "jock taxes" basically balance out since the schedule is what it is for everyone. I guess theoretically players in the Metro get hit harder because NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, but I think we're really splitting hairs with that one. My point was really just that the cost-of-living stuff that's so attractive to young families really doesn't affect pro athletes to the same degree. Our higher-than-average top tax rate kinda kills all that benefit.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Oh, it's incredibly complex. But "jock taxes" basically balance out since the schedule is what it is for everyone. I guess theoretically players in the Metro get hit harder because NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, but I think we're really splitting hairs with that one. My point was really just that the cost-of-living stuff that's so attractive to young families really doesn't affect pro athletes to the same degree. Our higher-than-average top tax rate kinda kills all that benefit.

In truth, the extra money should mean very little. Once you've got $5-$10m in the bank, you should be able to live comfortably forever and pass down a nice inheritance to boot. The difference between $50m and $55m in career earnings doesn't mean much except in Ego Score Points. Otherwise, every athlete would play in Texas and none would play by in NY or LA or Boston (or Canada for that matter).

 

[Roboturner913]

people know we don't have to waive anyone as soon as darling comes back, right? we have an open roster slot

I did not know that actually. thanks for the info.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

To quote a line from Moneyball: it's not about the money, it's about what the money says. When your salary is measured in 7 or 8 figures, regardless of your profession, it's not about balancing the checkbook anymore. You keep trying to drive it up because of what it says about your value to an organization.

Guys do take discounts, but it's because something outweighs that desire to make their number as big as possible. If there's nothing like that pulling at your heart strings, you might as well take all you can get.

P.S. Really happy with the start to the season. The team has more jam, which was a long time coming. I'll reserve judgment on our goaltending until we've seen more of them, but there's a lot to like from our skaters.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Regarding the “it’s only one game” stuff, I’m not saying we should take McElhinney over Mrazek based on that one game. I’m saying that we should take McElhinney based on everything they’ve each done over the past 2 years. It’s a simple matter of taking the guy who has been playing better hockey for a while now.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Regarding the “it’s only one game” stuff, I’m not saying we should take McElhinney over Mrazek based on that one game. I’m saying that we should take McElhinney based on everything they’ve each done over the past 2 years. It’s a simple matter of taking the guy who has been playing better hockey for a while now.

If we were doing that wouldn’t we get rid of Darling?

 

[Ole Gil]

Regarding the “it’s only one game” stuff, I’m not saying we should take McElhinney over Mrazek based on that one game. I’m saying that we should take McElhinney based on everything they’ve each done over the past 2 years. It’s a simple matter of taking the guy who has been playing better hockey for a while now.

The problem with that, is what's the highest number of games you think Cmac could play at 35? His career high is 28 starts. Last 3 years is 15-15-12.

If we had a #1 goaltender, and just needed a backup to play 20 good games, the argument for Cmac is solid. If you're looking for a possible #1 who may have to play 55+, Cmac's probably not a viable option.

Canes don't need a backup goalie, they need a backup #1 in the event Darling can't get it done.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If we were doing that wouldn’t we get rid of Darling?

Except that IMO he’s looked better than Mrazek in their limited showings so far, and his contract is problematic. But yeah, if Dundon’s cool with buying him out then I’m cool with dropping him.

The problem with that, is what's the highest number of games you think Cmac could play at 35? His career high is 28 starts. Last 3 years is 15-15-12.

If we had a #1 goaltender, and just needed a backup to play 20 good games, the argument for Cmac is solid. If you're looking for a possible #1 who may have to play 55+, Cmac's probably not a viable option.

Canes don't need a backup goalie, they need a backup #1 in the event Darling can't get it done.

I mean, I assume CMac won’t just keel over and die at game #30. Any way you slice his numbers they are better than Mrazek’s. Even if a heavier load takes a toll on him, he’s likely to end up with better numbers at the end of the day.

 

[featherhawk]

is CMAC playing tomorrow?

 

[VAcaniac]

Cmon now. Just give razek and aho 10 Years 200 mill. How could the Hcanes possibly go wrong?