Rumor: Canadiens not getting fair offers for Max Pacioretty

[DavidBL]

Aren't there rumors that he wants to play in Florida? Why would any team give up substantial assets to get what would be largely considered a 1 year rental. Teams aren't in the "lets go all in for a playoff run" yet.At the TDL teams have a much better sense of where their picks they are giving up will be and where prospects they have are sitting in their development.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Where‘s the news?

 

[crowi]

I don't particularly like Ducks GM Murray at this point, but holy shit is Bergevin bad. No reason at all to make it known you don't want to sign a player who still has a year left on his contract.
The person who leaked it doesn't matter - Bergevin is just a terrible GM.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Well when it's out there you won't be negotiating a contract with Patches then why would a GM offer you fair value? They know he walks for nothing or he has to take your offer.

 

[belair]

Why would they? Bergevin's window to move him for good value was at last year's trade deadline when he was healthy, a solid addition for an immediate playoff push and had an additional year of term where his acquiring team could negotiate an extension. The teams who may have been frontrunners for Pacioretty--LA, FLA and PHI off the top of my head--have all found other options without having to part with future assets. The market is significantly smaller and now Bergevin is even more desperate to move him considering it's public knowledge the Habs aren't re-signing him.

Add to that the fact they continue to add young players who also play his position. Questionable actions and inactions all around.

 

[YP44]

isn't market value determined by the market not by the Canadiens?

 

[Drew311]

Of course he's not getting fair offers. Every GM thinks they can fleece him....and they are probably right.

 

[BHD]

Hmmm... I wonder why.

 

[McSuper]

Market value is base on supply and demand . Maroon signed a cheap 1 year deal , Skinner is yet to be traded and Patches isn't being resigned . Base on the movement of the players listed and the 1 contract signed the market value is set and it is low very low

 

[MikeyMike01]

Something is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Sounds like Montreal front office needs a reality check.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Zero leverage means a horrible return.
I doubt he'd get more than a late 1st, C prospect and a warm body to balance the cap, even though he's worth more.

 

[Jumptheshark]

NHL trade rumors: Canadiens not getting fair value in Max Pacioretty offers, report says | Sporting News
Best quotes:


"Brendan Kelly of the Montreal Gazette reported Monday that Marc Bergevin has been having trouble getting market value in offers for the team captain"


"Pacioretty, a five-time 30-goal scorer, is one of two players (along with Alex Ovechkin) to reach the 30-goal plateau in each season between 2013 and 2017. In 2017-18, Pacioretty (much like the Canadiens) had a down year: he scored 17 goals, his lowest full-season total since his rookie campaign, while scoring on a career-low 8-percent of his shots."


What is a fair offer?

depends on whos offer we call fair

We have some idea of what Montreal is asking and some would consider that a lot or too much

some would look at what Evander Kane got as a starting point-last idea we had from the Montreal press was the habs wanted more

 

[HOPE]

the "pacioretty is not gonna sign with the habs" got out of proportion... Guys, he's been on the market for the a while, theres only 30 other GM in the league. every team knows when a player is on a market, the fact that somebody revealed that pacioretty wouldn't get a contract extension doesn't change a thing, other GMs knew that since a while ago.

the problem right now is Bergevin is probably just trying to get alot more than he can... so he's being very patient because no one is desperate right now and the price is probably the same that he can get at the trade dead line. market value is more than what the player can bring you, it goes with how many similar player, team needs etc. it's not something fix... and theres alot of teams with LW players so it's not a much needed position right now, Karlsson is also slowing the trades, same with skinner.

i still think he can get a mid first + B prospect or a very late first along with a very decent prospect.

 

[Kranix]

Why would they? Bergevin's window to move him for good value was at last year's trade deadline when he was healthy, a solid addition for an immediate playoff push and had an additional year of term where his acquiring team could negotiate an extension. The teams who may have been frontrunners for Pacioretty--LA, FLA and PHI off the top of my head--have all found other options without having to part with future assets. The market is significantly smaller and now Bergevin is even more desperate to move him considering it's public knowledge the Habs aren't re-signing him.

Add to that the fact they continue to add young players who also play his position. Questionable actions and inactions all around.

Pacioretty himself nixed a trade to LA didn't he?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

its only going to get worse the longer he waits because Patches is a rental and he becomes less of a rental once opening night hits

better just take the best offer available right now

 

[belair]

Pacioretty himself nixed a trade to LA didn't he?

Well, he fired his agent. He can't exactly 'nix' anything as he doesn't have any trade protection. His willingness to sign an extension wherever he goes is likely the caveat for Montreal now. That issue didn't exist at the deadline.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Bergevin might thing fair value is a 1st and a high end profit, the people that are interested or exploring that option might not pay for that, so in the end the fair value becomes one of the top two offers.

However, I don't see any teams that would be all that desperate or willing to over pay for Patches, and teans that are interested might just be more willing to wait for him to get to the end of his contract instead of bringing him on board for a playoff run.

 

[Boxscore]

Bergevin is a fool. Pacioretty is worth more to the Canadiens than anyone else. He should have kept his trap shut and tried to keep Max or move him to a desperate team or contender at the right time.

That said, the problem with Pacioretty is this...

1. He (meaning Max and his agents) think he's worth top end money because of his goal stats alone. Unfortunately, too many teams have been burnt by signing soft players to hefty contracts, based on previous performance, and they may be wising up. Look at Bobby Ryan for example.

2. The media keeps spinning nonsense like, "Only Alex Ovechkin and blah, blah, blah, have scored more goals than Max Pacioretty..." and, while that may be true, quality GM's aren't falling into that trap. Pacioretty is as soft as toilet paper and publicly started boo hooing about not being able to handle the pressure in Montreal, etc. That is the kiss of death from a heart / leadership / intensity standpoint.

What GM is going to give up a premium trade package and sign a player like that for big-time money? Doug Wilson already made that blunder when he signed Evander Kane to a 54 year, 9 trillion dollar deal this summer.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Sometimes you need to set the price low and let a bidding war develop. But what do I know.

 

[SI90]

If those are the offers then that’s the market and they are fair.

 

[Marshy]

When your nickname is Bargain Bin, teams look for bargains.

 

[strongcomp05]

this again? oh boy

 

[Fourier]

As most Oiler fans know all too well market value is what teams will give you for an asset. This is impacted by many things. In the case of Patches his contract situation and age are both factors but so is the fact that teams know that he is effectively a depreciating asset for Montreal at least until the trade deadline.

With one year left on his deal without an extension no team will give the Habs anywhere near the value he would have held say two years ago. This is especially true with him coming off a very poor season by his standards. The uncertainty is not only if he will resign but what are the details of an extension. He'll be 30 very early in the season. A five or six year deal is very risky let alone seven. But does he accept a deal much shorter than that right now if the cap hit is not a lot more than he is currently getting. How many teams can afford a $7-8M winger who is 30+ unless you are sure the player you are getting is going to be the 30 g version. If you are a team like Florida with perhaps a strong inside advantage on signing him why give up young assets and take a risk when you can simply wait this out.

Bottom line is that this is not an easy trade to make unless you are prepared for an underwhelming return. It might actually be best to wait and hope that something like an injury in the early season opens up an opportunity.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

This doesn’t surprise me. No GM wants to pay a premium for a scorer, when it’s public knowledge his current organization has no intention of extending him. Why do that when you’ll have a shot at him in free agency?

Boy, will it be awkward when Pacioretty puts that sweater on again.

 

[Viqsi]

I for one am quite shocked at this totally unpredictable development.