Canada vs US in Playoffs

[Lua]

Per capita is exponentially more dangerous. The US has about 8x the population of Canada, it is almost always going to have more cases

American specific example.
Let's compare California and Michigan
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California has 4x the population of Michigan , but Michigan is clearly a more dangerous place to catch Covid right now.




The question is: Where are the current hot spots and how can they be avoided




Are you kidding me with this?

No, I meant Canadian arenas are in more populated areas within Canada, not in relation to American NHL teams, but thank you for the information

 

[HotDish]

frozen four bubble maybe. Aren't some teams vaccinated? I heard recently the Avs got vaccinated as a team. Maybe the 4 Canadian teams can get vaccinated if you make the playoffs. However, I'm ignorant of the vaccine situation in Canada. I'm just guessing American teams will want to sell playoff tickets so i could see some owners fight against a bubble. Especially in states where vaccines are open to everyone.

 

[Lt Dan]

frozen four bubble maybe. Aren't some teams vaccinated? I heard recently the Avs got vaccinated as a team. Maybe the 4 Canadian teams can get vaccinated if you make the playoffs. However, I'm ignorant of the vaccine situation in Canada. I'm just guessing American teams will want to sell playoff tickets so i could see some owners fight against a bubble. Especially in states where vaccines are open to everyone.

the bolded will very likely be a sticking point.
I am guessing some kind of revenue sharing will have be worked out. I don't know what the MLB did , but the games were in neutral sites and the WS had both Dodgers and Rays fans

 

[Go19]

frozen four bubble maybe. Aren't some teams vaccinated? I heard recently the Avs got vaccinated as a team. Maybe the 4 Canadian teams can get vaccinated if you make the playoffs. However, I'm ignorant of the vaccine situation in Canada. I'm just guessing American teams will want to sell playoff tickets so i could see some owners fight against a bubble. Especially in states where vaccines are open to everyone.

You have to vaccinate now - it takes 2 shots of Moderna - 4 weeks apart or Pfizer 3 weeks - then both of those don't come to full efficacy until 2 weeks after the second shot. J&J is the one shot - not sure on the others (AZ, etc) - but if I recall all of them need a few weeks after to reach full efficacy. So you should start now.

Have they allowed and/or shutdown the J&J in Canada like they have in the US for now because of the blood clots?

 

[FMichael]

Cross that bridge when we come to it. Who knows what the landscape will look like in June.

Indeed.

With a higher % of new cases popping up in Canada there's no easy solution here.

I'm thinking there might be a 'neutral' bubble site here in the States that will see the 4 Division champs square off...It'll likely last for 4 weeks.

 

[Cotton]

frozen four bubble maybe. Aren't some teams vaccinated? I heard recently the Avs got vaccinated as a team. Maybe the 4 Canadian teams can get vaccinated if you make the playoffs. However, I'm ignorant of the vaccine situation in Canada. I'm just guessing American teams will want to sell playoff tickets so i could see some owners fight against a bubble. Especially in states where vaccines are open to everyone.

“Vaccinated people may have less severe illness if they do become ill from COVID-19.”

“COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19.”

Our governments are telling us different things, the top quote is from Canada, they are saying it doesn’t prevent you from getting it and have been pushing quarantines even for people who do get vaccinated. My wife went to the hospital during one of the media reported spikes, with the warnings about hospitals being overrun, and she told me it was a ghost town.

I don’t know what to believe anymore.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Anyone saying that Canada is safer at this point is living in 2020. Canada is getting destroyed by variants and a terribly slow vaccine rollout.

Have the US host a final four tournament bubble with no crowd or in a neutral arena. It’s no less unfair than Toronto and Edmonton hosting games last year (and both of those teams were easy outs)

 

[Soundwave]

“Vaccinated people may have less severe illness if they do become ill from COVID-19.”

“COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19.”

Our governments are telling us different things, the top quote is from Canada, they are saying it doesn’t prevent you from getting it and have been pushing quarantines even for people who do get vaccinated. My wife went to the hospital during one of the media reported spikes, with the warnings about hospitals being overrun, and she told me it was a ghost town.

I don’t know what to believe anymore.

There's nothing actually wrong with those two statements. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have a 80-90% effectiveness at preventing COVID from taking hold.

But that isn't 100%, you can still get it, you just won't have severe illness if you do.

 

[NyQuil]

I assume the Canadian NHL team could be vaccinated in the US as well while they're there, if they aren't by that point.

 

[HotDish]

You have to vaccinate now - it takes 2 shots of Moderna - 4 weeks apart or Pfizer 3 weeks - then both of those don't come to full efficacy until 2 weeks after the second shot. J&J is the one shot - not sure on the others (AZ, etc) - but if I recall all of them need a few weeks after to reach full efficacy. So you should start now.

Have they allowed and/or shutdown the J&J in Canada like they have in the US for now because of the blood clots?

I got the J&J so it slips my mind often that it was 2 weeks for me but for the rest it was longer.

I think their could be revenue split neutral site maybe. Hard to be completely neutral if Canadian fans can't travel though.

 

[Iapyi]

Anyone saying that Canada is safer at this point is living in 2020. Canada is getting destroyed by variants and a terribly slow vaccine rollout.

Have the US host a final four tournament bubble with no crowd or in a neutral arena. It’s no less unfair than Toronto and Edmonton hosting games last year (and both of those teams were easy outs)

Just can't help yourself can you. Diffident much?

 

[Cotton]

There's nothing actually wrong with those two statements. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have a 80-90% effectiveness at preventing COVID from taking hold.

But that isn't 100%, you can still get it, you just won't have severe illness if you do.

Well, one literally says vaccines prevent you from getting Covid 19. The other says you may get less ill if you get it following vaccination.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Just put the Canadian team in special hazmat suits.

 

[IBleedOil247]

Given it is playoffs and the absolute atrocity of the decision making, power wielding folks in Canada - There is no chance we will have clear border crossing regulations until at least the fall IMO.

This will generate a scenario where the only "fair" situation is to have a neutral location for all 7 Games in any layoff Series involving a Canadian Team (past the first 2 rounds that is) - Ex: Conference Final MTL vs. TB all games in Series in _____ US NHL City no longer in Playoffs and repeat in SCF if MTL advances. The ability for one team to play in its home barn, with home fans, sleeping in there own beds with there families is too much of an advantage IMO

 

[HBK27]

Is the vaccination process in Canada really THAT far behind the US that the Canadian teams aren't getting one anytime soon?

Here in NJ, things have really opening up the past few weeks and everybody I know has at least gotten their first shot by now.

NHL players have to work in close quarters with other individuals and travel all across the country. Even with the equipment guys, coaches, etc. that travel with the team we're talking what - 40 guys or so per team or less than 300 people total in Canada? Is this really not an option to get them vaccinated soon?

 

[2ndGenIslander]

I assume the Canadian team who advances will have to move to the US to play out the remainder of their playoff games until they are eliminated.

 

[Crow]

Considering there is only one Canadian team and 3 US teams, I don’t think Canada is a likely venue.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

the Canadian team that makes the final 4 will set up shop in Buffalo

 

[CupofOil]

One time speculation is that the Canadian team could head to the states, using one of the non-playoff teams' arena as their home arena. I don't mind that idea.

I don't think that'll happen.
So the Canadian team gets to play in a neutral arena while the U.S. team gets to play in their home arena? No way should that fly.

It'll probably be a bubble for the Final 4 and I'm surprised this hasn't been announced by the NHL yet unless they think somehow the quarantine rules will be lifted by June which seems like an impossibility at this point.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Is the vaccination process in Canada really THAT far behind the US that the Canadian teams aren't getting one anytime soon?

Here in NJ, things have really opening up the past few weeks and everybody I know has at least gotten their first shot by now.

NHL players have to work in close quarters with other individuals and travel all across the country. Even with the equipment guys, coaches, etc. that travel with the team we're talking what - 40 guys or so per team or less than 300 people total in Canada? Is this really not an option to get them vaccinated soon?

Yes we're THAT far behind, I have a ton of American friends in their 20's and they all got their vaccines a while ago. My grandpa was finally able to get his just last week, my parents won't be able to get theirs for a while, and God knows when I'll be able to.

 

[Mordoch]

I don't think that'll happen.
So the Canadian team gets to play in a neutral arena while the U.S. team gets to play in their home arena? No way should that fly.

It'll probably be a bubble for the Final 4 and I'm surprised this hasn't been announced by the NHL yet unless they think somehow the quarantine rules will be lifted by June which seems like an impossibility at this point.

Forcing US teams to play in a bubble if they are all basically vaccinated is likely to be a pretty hard sell on its own, and I'm not sure its even an option for the NHL unless the players union gives its approval. (This is disregarding the revenue hit and impact on the atmosphere since essentially all the US team sites will have fans in the area by then if they don't already at this point.)

 

[Go19]

the Canadian team that makes the final 4 will set up shop in Buffalo

Even if it is the Jets or Oilers?

 

[Soundwave]

Even if it is the Jets or Oilers?

If it's an Eastern team I'd assume Buffalo or New York.

If it's a Western team ... L.A. would be my guess.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Are you kidding me with this?

Not all US teams are in giant population centres. I think you're right but it's not that far off. Most Canadian teams play in good sized metro population areas at least comparable to US teams.

 

[Lua]

Well, one literally says vaccines prevent you from getting Covid 19. The other says you may get less ill if you get it following vaccination.

Both statements are true and not at all mutually exclusive. One says the vaccines are effective. The vaccines have ~90-95% efficacy rate. Note the common root in these two words. The other statement says they lessen the symptoms should a receiver of the vaccine be profoundly unfortunate.

This is public and common knowledge and your post reeks of antivax concern trolling