Can Lucic bounce back?

[Bryanbryoil]

He has a no move clause so he can’t be demoted.

Then eventually he should be in the PB.

 

[Canovin]

Then eventually he should be in the PB.

Pressbox is the best option for Lucic at this point. Start the cap at -6M

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

He has a no move clause so he can’t be demoted.

ooof...brutal

buyout-proof and a NMC

this will bury Chiarelli

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

What's better though? Lucic buyout, or giving up a 1st rounder and possibly more for an extra 1.5M or so of cap savings in 2 of the next 4 years? Retaining ~2M of cap hit is less savings for next year, similar savings for year 3, but definitely better for years 2 and 4.

Did we find out which teams he was open to moving to last summer, if any? Probably LA and Boston and that was the end of the list. If there were any real options, I think Chia would have done it last summer. Lucic has to do what is best for his family, and I think he would want the perfect landing spot, or the nice chunk of cash from us and he can try to create another bidding war among clueless GM's.

Keeping him seems like a bad idea too. He's gonna take up a roster spot, and probably continue to decline. The pride is strong, and I don't think he would ever let us put him in the AHL or make him pretend he's injured so he can go on LTIR like Lupul or Clarkson. THere will be a point where you would rather have a near league minimum cap hit young guy in his place (might be getting there already this year). He's probably going to turn into a drag in the room as well if we keep burying him in the lineup. Just a crap situation, and I think most players are happy to let the team be the first one to crack and make the big move. We gave him the contract with a NMC, if we don't want to honour it, then it's mostly on the team to use the options the CBA provides to remove it.

I think hanging onto him for now is better than paying a heavy price to move him.

Then you have to hope to dump him onto a non cap team that will see him being owed 16 million over 4 years in real dollars as making him slightly more attractive.

Still not easy to move.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

ooof...brutal

buyout-proof and a NMC

this will bury Chiarelli

It should've already. Bar none the worst contract in the league.

 

[Fourier]

I'm done defending this guy. I don't know if he has neurological issues from all of the hits and fights over the years that affect his motor skills but something isn't right and he didn't seem to think that he needed to put extra work into his stick skills so what you see is what you get. @Fourier what would the cap implications and his personal salary implications be if he retired? If he does have brain trauma he really should consider hanging them up for his and his families sake.

If he simply retires the cap goes away and he gets no money. This is not likely to happen. If he was declared to have a career ending injury the Oilers could use LTIR to replace his cap hit and he gets his money. This is also unlikely.

 

[RalphKing]

Staple him to McDavid and hope for a Christmas miracle.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Staple him to McDavid and hope for a Christmas miracle.

They tried that last year.

It didn't work.

 

[RalphKing]

There's a Christmas this year too!

 

[t0nedeff]

Probably the laziest player in his own end that the Oilers have on their roster.

 

[Del Preston]

I think some team would take him for 50% retention.

Scratch that. @mouser made a good point in the rumour thread that Lucic's NMC will make it even harder to trade him because he'd have to be protected in the 2021 Expansion Draft.

 

[Soundwave]

Scratch that. @mouser made a good point in the rumour thread that Lucic's NMC will make it even harder to trade him because he'd have to be protected in the 2021 Expansion Draft.

It's fairly easy for any team to buy out the last year of his deal. Especially if the Oilers retain salary. That said, I think he'd be willing to waive for Seattle, he is from the Vancouver area which is just up the street. I don't think he will be playing in the NHL in four years in all honesty to boot, I think his back condition is already kicking in.

 

[RalphKing]

You can't waive your NMC for the expansion draft. Teams must protect the NMC player.

 

[joestevens29]

I'm done defending this guy. I don't know if he has neurological issues from all of the hits and fights over the years that affect his motor skills but something isn't right and he didn't seem to think that he needed to put extra work into his stick skills so what you see is what you get. @Fourier what would the cap implications and his personal salary implications be if he retired? If he does have brain trauma he really should consider hanging them up for his and his families sake.

Where is this even coming from? Why even start spreading shit like that on here?

 

[Del Preston]

You can't waive your NMC for the expansion draft. Teams must protect the NMC player.

Lucic can waive it and be exposed to Seattle. But I doubt he would be willing to waive for a trade elsewhere before then, and then again in 2.5 years for the draft. The Oilers are most likely stuck with him until 2021 at the earliest, unless they buy him out.

 

[RalphKing]

Lucic can waive it and be exposed to Seattle. But I doubt he would be willing to waive for a trade elsewhere before then, and then again in 2.5 years for the draft. The Oilers are most likely stuck with him until 2021 at the earliest, unless they buy him out.

You are right. Here is the quote from nhl.com:

"* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits."

 

[oobga]

You can't waive your NMC for the expansion draft. Teams must protect the NMC player.

Edit: nvm. Did some searching back about the Vegas expansion. Teams had their shot to buy out in the days before the draft. The example I kept thinking of, Bieksa, wasn't bought out because he was a 35+ contract and it would have been too much of a penalty for the Ducks.

So, Lucic buyout can happen in 2021 right before. But, gotta pray he doesn't get hurt

 

[Drivesaitl]

Dead cat bounce from 10 storey window..

 

[space321]

If Lucic can lay a dirty hit on Tkachuk, get himself suspended for 20 games, that would be a win-win scenario. I can dream right?

 

[ffh]

You can't waive your NMC for the expansion draft. Teams must protect the NMC player.

have a feeling the league mat opt out of the cba over this issue in a year. they may want players not protected by teams with nmc to be allowed to be drafted in the expansion draft by seattle.

 

[Little Fury]

Honestly I'm starting to think buying him out might be the only option.

 

[Soundwave]

have a feeling the league mat opt out of the cba over this issue in a year. they may want players not protected by teams with nmc to be allowed to be drafted in the expansion draft by seattle.

Already explained above. A player can waive his NMC, that's not an issue. Lucic would likely waive for Seattle anyway, he is from the Pacific Northwest, it's a very nice city, there's not much to dislike. They Lucics have a summer home in LA which is a 2 hour flight from there.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

pray for a compliance buy-out in 2020

 

[Soundwave]

Thank gawd Todd sent Bouchard down, if Chiarelli had his way we could have been f***ed for that 2021 Seattle expansion draft because we'd likely be forced to go 4 forwards + 4 D.

 

[Dohilers]

The cap hit for a buyout is so high that the team is better off just hanging on to him, despite his decline in production. People like to harp on the point that he doesn't fight anymore. There are only 21 players with 2 or more fights in the league, and the league leader has 4. Guys aren't fighting, and the ones who do aren't dumb enough to fight Looch. Would you want that gorilla on skates angrily bashing his lunchbox fists on your head?

It may be that the game has passed him by. We're stuck with him and his flaws regardless, and complaining about what he is or isn't doing doesn't change anything. He's not getting traded. He's not being bought out. He's not going to the minors. He's not going to the press box. It sucks, but it is what it is. All you can do is hope he keeps working hard and bounces start going his way.