MuffinMerc
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- Jan 23, 2013
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Irving has many deficiencies not found in a steady #1 NHL-calibre goaltender.
In fact, the win tonight, especially with the last-minute powerplay, had less to do with Irving playing spectacularly and making the big save and much more to do with a slow and unmotivated Columbus team giving up a 4 on 2 in early OT.
He can make the routine saves, but he is also quite obviously not up to NHL speed yet - a good play makes him look like he was burned and had no chance, while I would say that a regular like Kiprusoff, Brodeur, Luongo, etc., would have at least had a fighting chance due to experience and regular play at the NHL level.
I thought he was bad. He's awful on the glove side and always went down early.
That sounds familiar!
Over the last few years, the team relied on Kipper making the big save just to stay competitive. I'd much rather the team get its act together and not have to rely on the goalie to bail them out that way. If the team in front is good enough, you don't need the goalie to make the spectacular save all the time - they just need to be solid enough to not cost the team the win. And Irving did that.
While I agree with your general sentiment/assessment of how skilled an NHL goaltender should be behind the team's play, I would really like to KNOW that our team's goaltender has the pure, natural ability to be a clutch savemaker, just as certain skaters have the ability to be a clutch goalscorer.
I'm not saying I've studied how well Irving has played in the past, but I wonder if he has the ability to stone cold rob a save.
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel like that's the difference between a Niemi and a Leighton in the Stanley Cup Final.
While I agree with your general sentiment/assessment of how skilled an NHL goaltender should be behind the team's play, I would really like to KNOW that our team's goaltender has the pure, natural ability to be a clutch savemaker, just as certain skaters have the ability to be a clutch goalscorer.
I'm not saying I've studied how well Irving has played in the past, but I wonder if he has the ability to stone cold rob a save.
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel like that's the difference between a Niemi and a Leighton in the Stanley Cup Final.
You do understand Irving has played <10 NHL games, right? How is this a critique of him in any way? I'm not sure what you're getting at here...
He played in the exact manner that was expected and hoped for. First start of the season, had some nerves and gave up a soft goal, but got the win. This is literally the best and most reasonable outcome we could possibly ever have hoped for. I literally do not understand people wringing their hands over Irving.
While I agree with your general sentiment/assessment of how skilled an NHL goaltender should be behind the team's play, I would really like to KNOW that our team's goaltender has the pure, natural ability to be a clutch savemaker, just as certain skaters have the ability to be a clutch goalscorer.
I'm not saying I've studied how well Irving has played in the past, but I wonder if he has the ability to stone cold rob a save.
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel like that's the difference between a Niemi and a Leighton in the Stanley Cup Final.
He's the closest player we have until next season to an NHL-calibre goaltender in Calgary's system.
Brust and Taylor are great at the AHL level but haven't proven anything at the NHL level either.
Broissoit and Gillies are kids with potential to make the big show... just like Irving is/was.
Ramo is unavailable due to contractual obligations until next season, although he is the most experienced goaltender the Flames have, especially in regards to playing at a high level with men.
In other words, outside of Kiprusoff, all Calgary has is a boat-load of what-if's and maybes, and knee injuries are no joke. If Kiprusoff aggravates his MCL during his rehabilitation period, then he will be out for even longer. And at his age, getting into game shape and really recovering from knee injuries isn't as easy.
My concern lies at the point of where Irving must be leaned on as a #1 - I want to give him a chance, but it's not easy when you have had a wonderfully consistent player such as Kiprusoff the last 8 seasons perform as well as he has behind a lackluster, offence-deficient team.
Now that we have a team that understands how to finish a play, the focus is on the defence and the man between the pipes.
Zero. He's young and drinks his malk.
He's the closest player we have until next season to an NHL-calibre goaltender in Calgary's system.
Brust and Taylor are great at the AHL level but haven't proven anything at the NHL level either.
Broissoit and Gillies are kids with potential to make the big show... just like Irving is/was.
Ramo is unavailable due to contractual obligations until next season, although he is the most experienced goaltender the Flames have, especially in regards to playing at a high level with men.
In other words, outside of Kiprusoff, all Calgary has is a boat-load of what-if's and maybes, and knee injuries are no joke. If Kiprusoff aggravates his MCL during his rehabilitation period, then he will be out for even longer. And at his age, getting into game shape and really recovering from knee injuries isn't as easy.
My concern lies at the point of where Irving must be leaned on as a #1 - I want to give him a chance, but it's not easy when you have had a wonderfully consistent player such as Kiprusoff the last 8 seasons perform as well as he has behind a lackluster, offence-deficient team.
Now that we have a team that understands how to finish a play, the focus is on the defence and the man between the pipes.
I would only blame Irving on the 1st goal, the 2nd no goaltender would have had IMO. The 3rd was a poor play by Giordano to screen his own goaltender. It was a pretty average start but he got the win, I woukd rather see that than him steal the show in Florida or Ottawwa and lose in overtime like happened last year.
Cervenka & Hudler were fantastic tonight. Wideman and Brodei were quite good as well.
A stat that might go unnoticed is even though the Flames were only credited with 7 blocked shots, 4 of them were credited to Butler.
Not in anyway hating on Irving, he was alright.. He didn't let in a deflating softie and stood his ground early in overtime when the pressure was on. The team was obviously horrendus today (not like the BJs deserved the win anymore). My concern is can Irving hold his own against real threats like the Canucks and Wild coming up? And whats going to be the status on Backlund?? and Cammaleri? If they miss significant time this team could be in a lot of trouble. Theres already 0 margin for error to make the playoffs so if we ain't going all the way we might as well tank now.
Like last year when we stop 29 of 30 shots versus the canucks, he played playoff teams 5 times last year and had above a .918 sv% in all but the boston game. He was fine last year and will be this year.
While I agree with your general sentiment/assessment of how skilled an NHL goaltender should be behind the team's play, I would really like to KNOW that our team's goaltender has the pure, natural ability to be a clutch savemaker, just as certain skaters have the ability to be a clutch goalscorer.
I'm not saying I've studied how well Irving has played in the past, but I wonder if he has the ability to stone cold rob a save.
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel like that's the difference between a Niemi and a Leighton in the Stanley Cup Final.
With that win, the Flames now sit in 12th, tied with three other teams at 8 points, but have the fewest games played of them. Assuming Nashville holds on to be LA.
I think the most important part of this win is that we get to rub **** in Erixon's face.
tied for 8th if you look at win percentage.and only 3 points back of 8th in 3 less games.