Prospect Info: Cale Makar - D [4th Overall] Part II: #OrrIsTheFloor Edition

[klozge]

I like some fancy stats, but why would you want to lead a category in puck possession in the defensive zone? The idea is you want to get the puck to your forwards as quick as possible.

Yeah, I was thinking how is this a good thing? It's not completely negative because I like dmen who don't lose the puck in their zone but I prefer dmen who get the puck, make the right pass and hug their teammate who just scored on the other side.

 

[ThatAvsGamer]

Yeah, I was thinking how is this a good thing? It's not completely negative because I like dmen who don't lose the puck in their zone but I prefer dmen who get the puck, make the right pass and hug their teammate who just scored on the other side.

What?????????

Clearly shows you can win battles in your own end and protect the puck from opposing forwards. Shows you're taking time to make the right pass rather than just dishing the puck off the boards and hoping it goes to a forward.

Clearly Makar is garbage and should be sent down. His puck possession numbers are too high

Please tell me how this is a "bad" stat. I didn't know having puck possession was a bad thing. i'm genuinely curious

 

[klozge]

What?????????

Clearly shows you can win battles in your own end and protect the puck from opposing forwards. Shows you're taking time to make the right pass rather than just dishing the puck off the boards and hoping it goes to a forward.

Clearly Makar is garbage and should be sent down. His puck possession numbers are too high

Please tell me how this is a "bad" stat. I didn't know having puck possession was a bad thing. i'm genuinely curious

You can also say he takes too long to make a decision with the puck. It's one of those stats which are worthless without context (which can be said about most stats imo), especially when you consider Hughes has twice as many giveaways as takeaways. So how good are his decisions really?
Hughes is good and will make the All Star teams often but this stat won't be the reason for it. Imo.

 

[slobbergob]

If you guys watched the video, it actually says Hughes is first in OZ possession time. Not DZ. That would be silly.

 

[klozge]

If you guys watched the video, it actually says Hughes is first in OZ possession time. Not DZ. That would be silly.

Now that's something very positive. Especially combined with good scoring which definitely is something Hughes provides.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

Puck hog

 

[Goulet17]

If you guys watched the video, it actually says Hughes is first in OZ possession time. Not DZ. That would be silly.

Misstatement on my part. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Avsboy]

He had a couple of brilliant defensive plays vs. Vancouver. Really impressed with him, blown away, actually. His early season jitters have completely vanished. Also, no penalties.

 

[viach]

 

[klozge]

Wow. Not the most important achievement in the world (and one he wouldn't have achieved on a weaker team) but that's some excellent company.

 

[Spirits]

I mean that could change long term, but at this moment he is.

In the direct sense this isn’t true this season.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Wow. Not the most important achievement in the world (and one he wouldn't have achieved on a weaker team) but that's some excellent company.

He’s got a long way to go to get to that level, but to be mentioned in a category with those two is pretty cool. The two best defenceman in history in my opinion.

 

[VikingAv]

In other words; This thread is properly named.

 

[ThatAvsGamer]

You can also say he takes too long to make a decision with the puck. It's one of those stats which are worthless without context (which can be said about most stats imo), especially when you consider Hughes has twice as many giveaways as takeaways. So how good are his decisions really?
Hughes is good and will make the All Star teams often but this stat won't be the reason for it. Imo.

Yeah, he makes too long to make decisions, let’s send him down

 

[klozge]

Yeah, he makes too long to make decisions, let’s send him down

I'm curious, what do you think we were talking about?
hint: it wasn't about Makar

 

[Barklez]

In other words; This thread is properly named.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I just want to see Makar win the Norris while averaging a ppg en route to leading us to a cup in his rookie year.

Is that too much to ask?

 

[The Merchant]

In other words; This thread is properly named.

I told y'all

 

[CoachBadkitten]

 

[Foppberg]

What does Goals above replacement even mean

 

[Avs71]

What does Goals above replacement even mean

The amount of goals he has scored in comparison to the guy he replaced. 5-0

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

What does Goals above replacement even mean

I'm pretty sure it means how many more goals is a player contributing compared to a base replacement level player.


So if my understanding is right there's basically this arbitrary "replacement" level player that's created for these analytical reports... And then from those arbitrary numbers you can determine whether a guy is playing above replacement level or below replacement level... and by how much.


So if a player is playing above replacement level, that means you're getting real good value out of the player and he overall is contributing positively towards goals more than he is negatively. On the flip side, if you have a below replacement level player, that means he is contributing negatively towards goals than he is positively.


This chart I'm assuming factors in both offensive and defensive play, along with other things to create the data. The fact Makar has no reds means he's contributing positively in all situations, which is great to see.

 

[Chelis Chili]

MAKAR COLLECTS FOUR ASSISTS TO ECLIPSE 20 CAREER POINTS

Avalanche defenseman Cale Makar collected four assists – including one on the overtime winner by Nathan MacKinnon (2-1—3) – to eclipse 20 career regular-season points (5-17—22 in 20 GP). Makar required the sixth-fewest games to reach 20 career points among players to debut with the Avalanche/Nordiques franchise.

Makar became the fourth defenseman in NHL history to record 20 or more points through their 20th career regular-season game, joining Toronto’s Harry Cameron on March 2, 1918 (17-10—27), Los Angeles’ Larry Murphy on Nov. 22, 1980 (5-19—24) and Toronto’s Hap Day on Feb. 18, 1925 (7-16—23).

Makar became the second rookie defenseman in franchise history to record four points in a game, joining Quebec’s Jeff Brown on Oct. 13, 1986 (1-3—4 at VAN). Makar leads all rookies in scoring this season, owning eight more points than the next-closest players (Victor Olofsson: 7-7—14 in 19 GP; Martin Necas: 4-10—14 in 20 GP).

 

[Chelis Chili]

Peter
Marian
Anton
Paul
...
STASTNY!!!

WTF?!

Every male member of the Stastny family must play for the Avs!

 

[Richard88]

What does Goals above replacement even mean

It's probably a players performance metrics compared to a statistical replacement level player