C/W Jesperi Kotkaniemi (2018 - 3rd overall, MTL) Part Four!

[Pinto Bean]

Those players all did good things but none had the VISION of Koko

The way he finds players in space is like no other

Did this mans just follow up saying he never over-hypes habs players by saying this LOL

 

[Just Linda]

I disagree. RyJo has flaws, and his work ethic was questionable, but his talent was always great. The guy has averaged 63 points a year from 2013-2014 up to 2018-2019. He played a massive role leading the Preds to the finals and had he not been injured, they might have won the cup. He was most definitely a key role for the Preds with his playoffs performance. The Preds had nothing after him in the center depth.

But the poster said his peak will be a lot higher, which is essentially 85-90 points. So yes, it's a crazy thought.

So if RyJo wasn't an ideal 1C and you aren't sure if KK will be one either, why do you think KK will be better? They both share similar traits in that they are close to the same height, drafted highly, great playmakers, have good shots, really struggled with athleticism(most notably skating)...etc

I see him being a lot closer to RyJo rather than Aho/Barkov/Draisaitl/Kopitar/Getzlaf/Scheifele. He's not going to be a RyJo clone, but I see him being a similar type of player which is what I initially said.

(MOD)
I think you and I agree on Kotkaneimi, just disagree on how good RyJo was. I think he was what Monahan is now (different styles but same effect on the game).

But yeah, you'd be crazy to think Kotkaneimi will become the next Barkov or Crosby or Kopitar. Similarities sure but not nearly same tier.

 

[The Great Weal]

(MOD)
I think you and I agree on Kotkaneimi, just disagree on how good RyJo was. I think he was what Monahan is now (different styles but same effect on the game).

But yeah, you'd be crazy to think Kotkaneimi will become the next Barkov or Crosby or Kopitar. Similarities sure but not nearly same tier.

That's fair. IIRC, Dallas really liked Kotka too and compared him to Monahan. Either way, a 2 way 65+ point center would be great if that's what he became.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

No one can be better than Johansen?

Ive never seen a centre with vision like Koko at this age hes 20

Lol, what?

Crosby and his 84 assist season, or McDavid and his 70 assist season at 20 years of age are no match for the vision of KOKO!

 

[SlafCaufield]

Lol, what?

Crosby and his 84 assist season, or McDavid and his 70 assist season at 20 years of age are no match for the vision of KOKO!

If you took the time to break down Kokos game film as I have you would understand but you would rather just make jokes

 

[Isaac Nootin]

If you took the time to break down Kokos game film as I have you would understand but you would rather just make jokes

Break down his game film for me, I'd love to read/see/hear it.

 

[schnapshot]

No one can be better than Johansen?

Ive never seen a centre with vision like Koko at this age hes 20

Bud you’re making us Habs fans look bad, please stop.

 

[Random Comment]

Kotkaniemi potential is not an elite centre. Take off the homer glasses. He’s going to be a serviceable and even good 2C with 1C upside.

Think ryjo/Monahan/Duchene impact as his high end. He has never shown that he could become a top 20 C in the league. Don’t @ me.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Bud you’re making us Habs fans look bad, please stop.

This x100000

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Break down his game film for me, I'd love to read/see/hear it.

Get ready for something like a breakdown of a highlight package, or something along those lines.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Ottawa’s second rounder Roby Jarventie scored at a higher PPG clip in the Liiga at 18 than Kotkaniemi did and he’s supposedly ready to be a 1/2C in the NHL!!?

 

[Just Linda]

Ottawa’s second rounder Roby Jarventie scored at a higher PPG clip in the Liiga at 18 than Kotkaniemi did and he’s supposedly ready to be a 1/2C in the NHL!!?

Don't watch much outside of numbers eh?

Kotkaneimi is the Habs 3c this year. Jarventie has been good but hasn't even been the best player on his own team in the games I've watched (Valimaki has looked fantastic), he's been producing points but hasn't really convinced me in a few ways (defensively).

It's crazy to think that players who were part of their training camps are doing well eh? Lundell would be a better 'gotcha' player to try to mock Habs fans with, he's been so much better than Jarventie.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Ottawa’s second rounder Roby Jarventie scored at a higher PPG clip in the Liiga at 18 than Kotkaniemi did and he’s supposedly ready to be a 1/2C in the NHL!!?

I hope this isn't the amount of context you always use to draw these massive conclusions. Disregarding that some other promising kid scoring points at a greater rate in Liiga than KK did in his whopping 10 game sample is an all around worthless argument, who (outside of maybe two delusional Habs fans) is expecting him to take reigns right away as the Habs' 1C when they have Suzuki and Danault in the roster as well?

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Ottawa’s second rounder Roby Jarventie scored at a higher PPG clip in the Liiga at 18 than Kotkaniemi did and he’s supposedly ready to be a 1/2C in the NHL!!?

Watch how much Vesalainen scored. Or Armia. Or Lehkonen. Compare to Rantanen, Granlund, whoever the f***. These things don't work like you think they work.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Get ready for something like a breakdown of a highlight package, or something along those lines.

Only thing I'm ready for is radio silence......there's no highlight package coming.

 

[PKWeber]

Did this mans just follow up saying he never over-hypes habs players by saying this LOL

Lol this man said "mans" on a hockey board

 

[schnapshot]

Ottawa’s second rounder Roby Jarventie scored at a higher PPG clip in the Liiga at 18 than Kotkaniemi did and he’s supposedly ready to be a 1/2C in the NHL!!?

I wonder why scouts even exist if you can simply go to HockeyDB and guess the potential of young hockey players.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Idk I still cling to his upside being similar to P-L D of CBJ.

 

[FlyguyOX]

FYI Hirvonen has one of the worst corsi's on the team 47.5% where KK was one of the best on the team with 56.6% and a PDO of 91.9% (getting unlucky)mostly due to a SV% of 85.7% while he was on the ice. Nick Merkley on the same team has a Corsi % of 54.4 FWIW.

 

[SlafCaufield]

Bud you’re making us Habs fans look bad, please stop.

You guys all agree with me on the Habs board but for some reaosn youre scared to say anything here lol smh

 

[Isaac Nootin]

FYI Hirvonen has one of the worst corsi's on the team 47.5% where KK was one of the best on the team with 56.6% FWIW.

Weird. Almost what you'd expect from a late 2nd round pick from the most recent draft, and the 3rd overall from from 3 drafts ago.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Those players all did good things but none had the VISION of Koko

The way he finds players in space is like no other

Trolololololololl.

 

[schnapshot]

You guys all agree with me on the Habs board but for some reaosn youre scared to say anything here lol smh

No we don't.

 

[Caser]

125 NHL games under his belt - not a prospect anymore. Closed.