Sam Bennett is another 4th overall who you see people saying could end up a Franchise calibre guy and no one bats an eye except those with a bias in the Bennett/Marner/Reinhart debate. I think most people including non Leaf fans acknowledge that Marner has that same franchise potential though.
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Sam Bennett is another 4th overall who you see people saying could end up a Franchise calibre guy and no one bats an eye except those with a bias in the Bennett/Marner/Reinhart debate. I think most people including non Leaf fans acknowledge that Marner has that same franchise potential though.
You went back 9 years and named 4 players.. that doesn't exactly help your case. It would be one thing if you showed say 70%, but pulling out 44%, (50 if you remove Bennett from the equation) then acting like you're stupid if you don't think the 50/50 will go in your direction.. not really getting across what you're trying to.
That being said, I do think Marner becomes a franchise guy (more from having watched him play many times than looking at where he was drafted).
Yeah exactly I'm not looking at Draft Position but rather the actual PLAYER.
Him and Seth Jones are pretty much dead even for the best player taken at 4th overall (At the time of the draft that is, obviously those other guys developed into stars, and nothing is guaranteed for Jones and Especially Marner's development. But in terms of their potential and level at Draft time, it's Marner and Jones).
And most everyone has thought that Jones will probably end up a Franchise calibre player since he was drafted. I, and many others, feel the same for Marner.
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Fourth overall 2006-2015
Marner, Bennett, Jones, Reinhart, Larsson, Johansen, Kane, Pietrangelo, Hickey, Backstrom.
Saying its unlikely to find a franchise player at 4 is ridiculous. 6/10 of the last picks are either established franchise players (Ryjo, Pietra, Backstrom) or potentially franchise players. (Marner, Bennett, Jones) Kane has been a good not great player who's injuries has held him back, and Reinhart/Larsson are both slow developing and could each blossom into strong top 4 defensemen.
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But most of those guys weren't in a draft like this. So 50 percent became franchise in weaker drafts. The fact we had the likely best top 2 since '04 speaks volumes. Regardless, only time will tell.
That is so pointless to look at the history of picks. Nylander was drafted at 8 where not many great players have been picked before, but we all know he hes going to have an impressive career.
Where did I use the word unlikely? Generally when the word expected is used, it contains some certainty.
Lets break down "expect", and "don't expect". The terms are clearly not at a 51/49 split, lets say you expect something when it has 70% certainty and then don't expect something when it has under 40% certainty (we could use 70/30. 60/40, doesn't matter)
You use Marner and Bennett to bolster your point, but these two are young and haven't really done anything yet so should be omitted. So from the previous 8 drafts you'd say 3 franchise players out of 8 contains enough certainty to EXPECT a franchise player with a 4th overall pick? You think that with sub 40% in the stretch that you provided, that you should expect a player to be a franchise player by draft position?
Then you say that I'm saying it's unlikely that Marner becomes a franchise player when I used the words
Let's get on the real issue on hand.
What's will his nickname be?
Mitchell "Mitch" "Insert something that starts with M" Marner.
What's will his nickname be?
Mitchell "Mitch" "Insert something that starts with M" Marner.
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If he scores a clutch goal I can see miracle finding it's way in there, as lame as that may sound.
I still think Magician is good. Really fits his playstyle. Or Magic Man.
I like the Miracle one as well.
https://youtu.be/SZgLkLItV4s?t=56s
It's plays like this one that get me really excited about Marner. He does it all the time. Just so adept at forcing the turnover and making it into a scoring chance into a flash, it's honestly Datsyukian how good he is at it, now if only he can find a way to play Selke level defence...
It's plays like this one that get me really excited about Marner. He does it all the time. Just so adept at forcing the turnover and making it into a scoring chance into a flash, it's honestly Datsyukian how good he is at it, now if only he can find a way to play Selke level defence...
I remember another touted player draft by a Toronto sports franchise that had the nickname of the magician. He was Andrea Barfnani...wonder who he's playing for now.
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We get it, you wanted Hanifin. It's time to get over it, I swear all you do is rip Marner on the Leafs board and now you're here.
He put up better junior numbers then Giroux, and put up a tad less then Kane in his draft season.
Kessel was picked 5th and is pretty much the same caliber player as Kane, and if you look around the 2/3-5 draft pick range (because looking at just the 4th pick is stupid, you have to look at the talent range of the pick), many elite players have come out of this grouping. I don't think there is anything ridiculous about expecting that caliber player considering the depth of the draft, and where he was picked.
Plus, your name kinda gives away your distaste for the pick.
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Question your knowledge of hockey if you prefer Hanifin over Marner. You can find top tier D men later in the draft. You dont pass on a highly technically adept forward like Marner like that.
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I'm a very big marner fan. He size is not concerning at all, especially in the new nhl. Most top players are around his size. He has tremendous tools and would be a #1 or 2 pick in most years
Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple ppg seasons in his prime (more if scoring picks up)
Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple ppg seasons in his prime (more if scoring picks up)
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Wow. So flawed, where to begin.....
Most had Hanifin rated ahead of Marner so that sweeping statement is just embarrassing. Add to that top tier forwards are also found later in the draft and you just look silly. Forward or Defensemen the higher rated players and thus usually higher drafted players have higher chances of success. It's just a matter of preference.
You might want to look up the word irony.
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You edited your post after i quoted you. But it's cool. As long as you believe in Marner like I do.
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Indeed, his skating, tenacity and anticipation make him an absolutely fearsome forchecker.
I question whether he'll actually play centre at the next level. I also question whether BOTH nylander and marner will play centre. Not many guys their size play top centre (guys like G being the exception), not to mention two small centres.
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Marner has that G like talent.
And Nylander is 5'11 190. That's not a small centre.
Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, JVR, Brown, Kadri, Gauthier
Rielly, Gardiner, Harrington, Loov, Dermott, Percy
Bernier, Bibeau
Not bad. Add Chychrun to that list and we're good to go.
Rielly, Gardiner, Harrington, Loov, Dermott, Percy
Bernier, Bibeau
Not bad. Add Chychrun to that list and we're good to go.
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