C German Rubtsov (2016, 22nd, PHI)

[kp61c]

Yep, no good players come out of there.

how big is the cemetery of busts that were successful in the ahl again?

 

[Atas2000]

Because no 21 year old has ever become a decent player in the NHL after putting up good numbers in the AHL right? I like how youre saying that NA ruined him when his development was being stunted in the KHL

Because many player who put up decent numbers in the AHL never made it in the NHL. Because he is 21 nad not 18 or 19. Because I see DeBrincat, Howden and others putting up points in the NHL. Beacause he was first rounder who was supposed t be one of the top prospects out of Russia and at 21 he couldn't even make it to the KHL.

His development was being stunted in the KHL? How? Do you really believe that nonsense you make up yourselves for internal use in NA?

 

[Atas2000]

Yep so did Provorov.

People who can't analyze anything are real fun, you know. Yeah, Provorov is a great expample of why the US defencemen development is good.

 

[pmwlker]

Anyone calling a 20 year old who was a lateish first round pick just a few short years ago a bust probably doesn’t know enough about said player to rationally discuss him anyway. What’s the point.

 

[Atas2000]

His development in Russia was horse**** at best. That was his teams fault not his. Let’s not twist things. He ran to juniors for an opportunity to develop his game which he wasn’t getting in Russia.

LOL You certainly have an proof for your wild claims like the nonsense about the team that was really trying hard to keep him and gave him the best opportunities for development. Which fake hockey news channel produces those weird stories about the KHL all the time?

 

[pmwlker]

Because many player who put up decent numbers in the AHL never made it in the NHL. Because he is 21 nad not 18 or 19. Because I see DeBrincat, Howden and others putting up points in the NHL. Beacause he was first rounder who was supposed t be one of the top prospects out of Russia and at 21 he couldn't even make it to the KHL.

His deveolpment was being stunted in the KHL? How? Do you really believe that nonsense you make up yourselves for internal use in NA?

He’s 20. Thanks for proving my point for me.

 

[Atas2000]

Anyone calling a 20 year old who was a lateish first round pick just a few short years ago a bust probably doesn’t know enough about said player to rationally discuss him anyway. What’s the point.

The point is the Flyers should have taken DeBrincat

 

[Atas2000]

He’s 20. Thanks for proving my point for me.

So you can't answer my question and claim instead that I somehow prove your whatever? Nice.

 

[pmwlker]

People who have followed him know his time in Russia was horseshit. Wasn’t getting minutes or opportunity. I suggest you learn about a player before speaking of them. Case in point....you don’t even know how old he is. Good day

 

[cg98]

Because many player who put up decent numbers in the AHL never made it in the NHL. Because he is 21 nad not 18 or 19. Because I see DeBrincat, Howden and others putting up points in the NHL. Beacause he was first rounder who was supposed t be one of the top prospects out of Russia and at 21 he couldn't even make it to the KHL.

His deveolpment was being stunted in the KHL? How? Do you really believe that nonsense you make up yourselves for internal use in NA?

Lol what a strawman argument. Theres just as many cases of 21 year olds who were groomed in the AHL for a season or two and made it as those who didnt.

If you also paid attention to Rubtsov youd know that he played in the KHL before coming to NA and didnt post a single point in 15 games

 

[Cootsfanclub]

how big is the cemetery of busts that were successful in the ahl again?

Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time totals

Look at the list of players above him and around him, most went on to become NHL players.

 

[pmwlker]

Lol what a strawman argument. Theres just as many cases of 21 year olds who were groomed in the AHL for a season or two and made it as those who didnt.

If you also paid attention to Rubtsov youd know that he played in the KHL before coming to NA and didnt post a single point in 15 games

He got 5/6 minutes a game for those 15 games. He didn’t get the opportunity to succeed playing those minutes did he? Context matters

 

[cg98]

He got 5/6 minutes a game for those 15 games. He didn’t get the opportunity to succeed playing those minutes did he? Context matters

Im being sarcastic, im well aware that his team was stunting his development in the KHL.

 

[Atas2000]

Lol what a strawman argument. Theres just as many cases of 21 year olds who were groomed in the AHL for a season or two and made it as those who didnt.

If you also paid attention to Rubtsov youd know that he played in the KHL before coming to NA and didnt post a single point in 15 games

[mod] Numbers in the AHL do not guarantee NHL success, at least at ths age, he is not a prodigy underager who scores in a men's league at this point. No guarantee doesn't mean he won't have success. It means there is no guarantee. Thus the numbers don't carry much weight.

Just like the numbers in the KHL as a 18 y.o.. Scoring in the KHL at age 18 is not easy, it's not the CHL. And development is not points scored. Logic is a nice thing, you should try it.

 

[Atas2000]

He got 5/6 minutes a game for those 15 games. He didn’t get the opportunity to succeed playing those minutes did he? Context matters

You know nothing about context of development in Russia. If the whining tale about minutes is about to ensue, then just put him on the Flyers right away and give him 18 minutes per game on the top line for the sake of his develoment or else we claim "he didn't get the opportunity".

 

[kp61c]

Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time totals

Look at the list of players above him and around him, most went on to become NHL players.

it seems more than a half of them went bust.

 

[kp61c]

You know nothing about context of development in Russia. If the whining tale about minutes is about to ensue, then just put him on the Flyers right away and give him 18 minutes per game on the top line for the sake of his develoment or else we claim "he didn't get the opportunity".

svechnikov says hi, they are slowly killing him out there.

 

[cg98]

[mod] Numbers in the AHL do not guarantee NHL success, at least at ths age, he is not a prodigy underager who scores in a men's league at this point. No guarantee doesn't mean he won't have success. It means there is no guarantee. Thus the numbers don't carry much weight.

Just like the numbers in the KHL as a 18 y.o.. Scoring in the KHL at age 18 is not easy, it's not the CHL. And development is not points scored. Logic is a nice thing, you should try it.

[mod]

I could make the same case about the KHL scoring, the numbers there dont always guarantee success in the NHL, as weve seen time and time again. But players who have the work ethic and development cut out for them can carve out success in the NHL, as weve also seen.

[mod]

 

[Cootsfanclub]

it seems more than a half of them went bust.

It looks like much less than half.

Edit: The vast majority of players in the range that Rubstov is in right now (0.8 to 0.9 PPG) became an NHL regular. Emile Poirier, Jeremy Colliton, and Cal O'reilly seem to be the only ones that didn't.

 

[pmwlker]

You know nothing about context of development in Russia. If the whining tale about minutes is about to ensue, then just put him on the Flyers right away and give him 18 minutes per game on the top line for the sake of his develoment or else we claim "he didn't get the opportunity".

If you think playing 5/6 minutes a night regardless of where helps his development and provides opportunities to grow you might want to think about following another sport.

 

[wankstifier]

Anyway... it’s nice to see Rubtsov do well. Hopefully he can continue his success.

 

[Stizzle]

Terrible news. Rubtsov was playing very well in his rookie AHL season. Most speculate it is a shoulder injury.

 

[Caser]

 

[mja]

This sucks because he was playing so well that he had a chance to make the big club before the season was out.

It's a good thing the Flyers are drafting in bulk and are hitting on so many picks, because some of these guys are getting decimated by injuries before they even make the big club. Stolarz, Morin, Laberge, Rubtsov will all essentially lose an entire year of development or more, with other guys like Allison missing significant time as well.

 

[57special]

I liked both Rubtsov and Laberge at the draft, and was jealous of PHI when they picked them.