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Obviously Buff is elite defencemen, no one in the world would argue that. That's not what you said, obviously.
Buff has been better this year than the last couple, minus a slip up here and there.
I think we could make a deal work.
Obviously Buff is elite defencemen, no one in the world would argue that. That's not what you said, obviously.
Buff not being elite.
When you're one of the leading scoring defenseman, you go to the allstar game. They don't look at how terrible your defense is.
If he's an elite defenseman, 90% of the people here wouldn't have been talking about trading him last year. BUT HEY, HE'S PLAYED GOOD FOR TEN GAMES NOW, HE'S ELITE AGAIN.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I don't know what else to tell you. Buff is a first pairing elite offensive defenseman. Your argument is that he isn't because some anonymous posters on this board make awful fantasy trade proposals.
And what's your argument he's elite? Because you read a stat line that he can score points?
Buff's elite, Bogo is great, Enstrom's great, yet we have one of the worst defences in the league.
Ducks fan here, I have a few questions regarding Byfuglien.
1. How has he looked this season?
2. Do you think the Jets will trade him?
3. What would you like in return from the Ducks? We have a great prospect pool, two 1st round picks, and Sbisa.
Context?
Your post talked about him being a top scorer. Then you diminish him because people wanted to trade him last year.
He's an elite offence defencemen.
The entire discussion. Revolved around offence and value to teams
No one has ever framed him as a shut down guy.
Read the whole thing. Supahdupah talked about playing time and POINTS.
You talk about scoring.
No one ever calls him shut down.
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You're gonna have to prove that, because I don't think that's true at all.
As for picking out selective quotes that are down on Buff, it would be just as disingenuous to post selective posts that praise Buff as the sole indication of his valuation.
He still sucks at playing defense, but he has gotten better, and is still same old offensive Buff.
One thing I would say is that I personally don't want to trade him for question marks.
Buff has elite talent. Buff is not an elite player.
Holland + Sbisa + (insert any Ducks goalie) would be a great base for a trade. My guess is they'd want a bit coming back...Gooch as a rental perhaps?
Buff isn't bad at defense... He has good gap control, strong skater, great on boards, active stick and can be physical... and hell of a puck mover minimizing his time in the defensive zone.
The problem's that cause him to seem bad defensively are:
* brain farts (happens to the best)
* tries creating so sometimes gets caught punching, looks doubly bad when forwards don't cover
* in previous seasons conditioning would cause him to get caught
Scoring chances against this season are about 20% lower than the last two seasons... So, he's even getting better.
I'd agree with your assessment. I'd add that he does sometimes play lazy in the D-zone, either not taking his man or not taking his mans stick. It could be confirmation bias on my part but it seems like Buff is the worst of our top 4 at making sure his man doesn't score. Toby is a stick wizard and Bogo plays the body, but it seems like Buff sometimes hesitates on how to make a defensive play sometimes and gets burned bad.
I don't know how you want me to prove that, I mean I can toss anecdotal examples at you and those can be disputed too. It happens a couple times every period, often Byfuglien will jump up and look for a lead pass when both teams are changing, then he's left out there, hopefully with the Jets gaining the zone, sometimes with the opposing team taking a turnover and controlling the puck in our zone, and Byfuglien has taking an extra trip up the ice and back. I've watched every game of Jets 2.0 and seen more than 1/4 of them live, Byfuglien taking an extra long shift is a fairly common occurrence.
First shift of the game vs San Jose, Clitsome was off in 34 seconds, Byfuglien was on for 1:49, this one didn't burn us as we controlled the puck and drew a penalty. If you look down the TOI reports, Byfuglien has loads of shifts longer than 1:00 in every game, some are on the PP, but many are 5 on 5.
This kind of scares me. Is he that bad in his own end? You don't want Holland or Sbisa, trust me. But I could see Murray tricking another GM into taking them. How would you compare Bogosian's game to Buff?
Buff isn't bad at defense... He has good gap control, strong skater, great on boards, active stick and can be physical... and hell of a puck mover minimizing his time in the defensive zone.
The problem's that cause him to seem bad defensively are:
* brain farts (happens to the best)
* tries creating so sometimes gets caught punching, looks doubly bad when forwards don't cover
* in previous seasons conditioning would cause him to get caught
Scoring chances against this season are about 20% lower than the last two seasons... So, he's even getting better.
Any stat for standing in front of the net and not tying the guy up?
I'm a big Sbisa fan so I'd be interested in him in a package. Sbisa + for Buff?
Hey Garret, any chance you know the possession stats of Sbisa?
I'm a big Sbisa fan so I'd be interested in him in a package. Sbisa + for Buff?
Hey Garret, any chance you know the possession stats of Sbisa?
Ya... the SIFOTNANTGU stat?
LOL... although the more often it happens, the more negative results you are going to get in the overall stats.
I'm a big Sbisa fan so I'd be interested in him in a package. Sbisa + for Buff?
Hey Garret, any chance you know the possession stats of Sbisa?
Also, people consistently underrate his ability to stick-check. Just because he has size doesn't mean he has to use it. The only person on this team who's better at it is Enstrom, AFAIC.
Buff isn't bad at defense... He has good gap control, strong skater, great on boards, active stick and can be physical... and hell of a puck mover minimizing his time in the defensive zone.
The problem's that cause him to seem bad defensively are:
* brain farts (happens to the best)
* tries creating so sometimes gets caught punching, looks doubly bad when forwards don't cover
* in previous seasons conditioning would cause him to get caught
Scoring chances against this season are about 20% lower than the last two seasons... So, he's even getting better.
Ducks fan here, I have a few questions regarding Byfuglien.
1. How has he looked this season?
2. Do you think the Jets will trade him?
3. What would you like in return from the Ducks? We have a great prospect pool, two 1st round picks, and Sbisa.