Salary Cap: Buyout Hoffman: Yes or No
- Thread starter Le Barron de HF
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Might as well trade & retain 1.5M for 1 year vs pay 1.6M cap penalty for two.
At 3M we'd get some kind of return one would think...
At 3M we'd get some kind of return one would think...
Hell no! Absolutely not, you keep The Hoff. He's only got 1 year left and we might get an asset for him at the trade deadline.
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Two of the three retentions are used now but I’ve forgotten when they end. More options in the offseason I expect. Hoffman might have some use on a good second line. He gets exposed pretty much anywhere else.
I voted no, but it depends. Buyout only if a Monahan like deal is on the table and we need the extra cap next year to make it work.
Ezpz
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They all expire as soon as the regular season concludes.
It makes zero sense to buyout Hoffman now. Give him first line + PP next year and flip at deadline.
Le Barron de HF
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Is whatever asset we'd get back worth either losing some of these guys on waivers (RHP/Ylonen) or them not getting NHL reps? Not sure about that. We have enough late picks as it is.
Hoffman puts up points on the first line but he doesn’t look good. Have to find a Bergevin to take him.
Sterling Archer
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Definitely no. He’s a tradable asset at the TDL and does put up points. Far more worthy candidates and this coming from someone who is not a Hoffman fan.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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SupRocket
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No I'd keep him
He's a valuable member of the tank
We will need his services for another year or so and that also goes to Armia
He's a valuable member of the tank
We will need his services for another year or so and that also goes to Armia
Jaynki
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No. We dont need the cap space next year.
If we cant trade him. Let him be an extra or trade him at 50% retained.
If we cant trade him. Let him be an extra or trade him at 50% retained.
MXD
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No buyout. Burying him is the way to go if a roster spot is needed.
Buyout saves $3.333M this coming year but costs $1.666M the following year when we might compete.
We can retain up to $1.666M in a trade so long as the return is not negative. We can even retain up to $2.5M if we like the return a bit.
Best option if there is no trade on the table is to play him and look to trade him later in the year. But if Hoffman is not in the top 13-14 F after camp, best IMO becomes to waive him.
If he gets taken, we save his whole cap $4.5M, and if he is not claimed, we bury him and save $1.150M and can still call him back up if there are injury needs or a player on ELC needs more seasoning in Laval.
We can waive Armia too, for the same reason. It's not 'breaking a code', in fact we waived Alternate captain Paul Byron several times.
Despite occasional brain farts, Hoffman's defence and commitment level have improved a lot under MSL. There might be GMs paying attention and not operating from old notes or bias.
We should have enough spots to fit them in with a few players leaving the team this offseason.
Worst case you trade the Donkey/Dvorak or buyout a longer term deal such a Gallagher/Armia. But I would avoid buyouts in general and leave it as a last resort.
Buying out The Hoff with 1 year left and still in our rebuilding phase is not worth it.
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Sorinth
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If you're just concerned about roster spots then you can just send him to the AHL, there's no real point to using the buyout unless theres some crazy offseason moves and we actually need the space.
Le Barron de HF
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I'll admit I forgot about waivers being an option. I'm no expert on his character but I'd be wary of him bringing a negative energy in Laval and him pouting off. That's without considering him taking some of Roy's or Kidney's minutes.
WeThreeKings
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There's no point, he's done next year and unlike Drouin, will have some value at 50% retention and be moved at deadline to a team looking to add a powerplay/shooting threat into a series if they need it.
Buying out Armia would be the more wise use of a buy-out. Gallagher's buy-out is too expensive and damaging long term, otherwise that would be the most preferable option.
Buying out Armia would be the more wise use of a buy-out. Gallagher's buy-out is too expensive and damaging long term, otherwise that would be the most preferable option.
DAChampion
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Seriously?
It seems to me that developing the young players by adequately distributing ice time should be a lot more important than acquiring an additional second rounder.
Ezpz
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Which forward prospect do we have coming in who will deserve top six minutes? I wouldn't be surprised if even Farrell starts in Laval.
26Mats
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I'd trade and retain 50% before buying him out.but no guarantee even at 50% retained there'd be any interest, unfortunately.
So I voted yes to buy him out.
I'd play Caufield, Slaf, Farrell, Heineman, Gurianov, Ylonen, RHP, and Anderson all in the top 6 over Hoffnan. They may be part of the future. Hoffman definitely isn't.
26Mats
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Armia would be on the books for 4 years though. I'd rather just bury him in laval for the last two years...
We won't get much for Hoffman at the trade deadline, maybe a 4th, if anything. I'd rather give the development time to a young player.
A55P2
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Trade him at the draft. We need him off to team so that St. Louis can't use him on the PP for his shot. We need to find someone that can take that spot on the second PP that could stay there long term. No point having him in a role he'll leave in a year. Him being traded will force us to rotate players to see who fits.
WeThreeKings
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It's still better to get a 4th and not have his buy-out on our ledger.. we can still prioritize development time and give Hoffman spot duties.
Armia being a toxic person in Laval for 2 years wouldn't help build the culture, I don't see Hughes doing that.
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