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Continued from previous thread. (mod please sticky)

The draft is upon us, starting a new thread to kick off the event. Some useful links:
  • The Athletic draft page, all the highest level draft coverage for subscribes. They are also running a live show on their youtube page tonight during the draft (don't have to be a subscriber). That's what I will be watching.
  • I was going to link whatever NFL.com was doing as their draft tracker as the official draft tracker, but I find their website impossible to navigate. Here is their draft page.
  • ESPN Draft Tracker
  • Anyone else has links they find useful on draft night that they want included just post them and I'll throw them in here
Most importantly, the HF Bills thread community has been running a series of polls to build our own internal bills big board for the top 50ish picks (all QBs intentionally excluded). Last poll is still live if you want to participate. Here are the results:

HF Bills Big Board
1. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida (50%) [actual pick 3]
2. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon (38%) [ap 7]
3. Ja'Mar Chase, WR, LSU (57% ) [ap 5]
4. Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama (57%) [ap 9]
5. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama (33%) [ap 6]
5. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, OLB/S, Notre Dame (33%) [ap 52]
7. Rashawn Slater, OL, Northwestern (33%) [ap 13]
8. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama (50%) [ap 10]
8. Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina (50%) [ap 8]
10. Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech (43%) [ap 22]
11. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State (33%) [ap 12]
11. Alijah Vera-Tucker, OL, USC (33%) [ap 14]
13. Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami(56%) [ap 18]
14. Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan (40%) [ap 21]
15. Landon Dickerson, C/G, Alabama (33%) [ap 37]
16. Greg Newsome, CB, Northwestern (40%) [ap 26]
16. Christian Darrisaw, OL, Virginia Tech (40%) [ap 23]
18. Trevon Moehrig, S, TSU (75%) [ap 43]
19. Azeez Ojulari, DE, Georgia (67%) [ap 50]
20. Teven Jenkins, OL, Oklahoma State (22%) [ap 39]
20. Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama (22%) [ap 38]
22. Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami (43%) [ap 30]
23. Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson (60%) [ap 25]
24. Asante Samuel, CB, Florida State (50%) [ap 47]
25. Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa (25%) [ap 16]
25. Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky (25%) [ap 19]
25. Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State (25%) ap 86]
25. Najee Harris, RB, Alabama (25%) [ap 24]
29. Alim McNeil, DT, NC State (43%) [ap 72]
30. Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue (33%) [ap 49]
30. Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State (33%) [ap 31]
32. Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss (38%) [ap 34]

33. Kadarious Toney (19 points) [ap 20]
34. Pat Freiermuth: (10 points) [ap 55]
35. Quinn Meinerz: (8 points) [ap 98]
35. Rashod Bateman: (8 points) [ap 27]
35. Creed Humphry: (8 points) [ap 63]
38. Terrace Marshall: (7 points) [ap 59]
39. Dillon Radunz, OT, ND State (19 points) [ap 53]
40. Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse (18 points) [ap 101]
41. Joe Tryon, EDGE, Washington (17 points) [ap 32]
42. Richie Grant, S, UCF (11 points) [ap 40]
43. Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest (10 points) [ap 61]
44. Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia (8 points) [ap 29]
44. Jabril Cox, LB, LSU (8 points) [ap 115]
46. Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington (6 points) [ap 41]
47. Trey Smith, OL, Tennessee (5 points)
48. Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia (16 points) [ap 33]
49. Elijah Molden, CB, Washington (14 points) [ap 100]
50. Hamsah Nasirildeen, S, Florida State (14 points)
51. Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina (11 points) [ap 33]
52. Jackson Carman, OL, Clemson (7 points) [ap 46]

I'll try to update with the Bills picks as they happen.

Happy draft day everyone!

Pick 30 Bills Select Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Long, stretched-out athlete who continues to grow into his slender body (played at 245 pounds in 2019)...gets upfield quickly due to his initial step and elongated strides...coordinated body movements, lethal on loops/twists...keeps his momentum downhill with his forward lean and active hands...uses his length to avoid jabs and separate from blockers...accurate ball radar allows him to retrace his steps and close on the football...large tackling radius...sets a hard edge with his frame strength...owns the open-field speed to carry tight ends down the seam or backs on wheel routes...smart, articulate individual who picks up and applies coaching...moved inside to nose tackle over the center on obvious passing downs...remarkable production in 2019, second in the nation (behind Chase Young) with 15.5 sacks, the second-most in a season in school history.

WEAKNESSES: Needs to get stronger to more effectively utilize his long levers...doesn’t consistently shock or convert speed to power when leaning into blocks...upright rusher due to his taller stature and doesn’t consistently use his bend...too segmented with his upfield attack...narrow base and tall center of gravity leads to anchor and breakdown issues, which creates extra steps...his hands have flashes of power, but lack defined technique...played only one full season (seven starts) at the college level...missed almost all of the 2018 season due to a right ankle fracture (September 2018) that required surgery.

SUMMARY: A one-year starter at Miami, Rousseau lined up at left defensive end in Diaz’s scheme, and reduced inside on passing downs as a three-technique or nose tackle. He was a wide receiver and defensive back for most of his life (moved to defensive line in 2017 as a high school senior), and was thrown into the defensive line rotation as a redshirt freshman with the Hurricanes and blossomed as his playing time increased. He joined Ohio State’s Chase Young as the only FBS players to reach 15 sacks in 2019. A super-long athlete, Rousseau keeps his momentum downhill with violent hands and easy acceleration, helping him to quickly disengage from blocks. He is an intelligent player and can talk the talk when it comes to breaking down pass rush execution, but he is upright and overly reliant on speed/length and needs to improve his anchor, technique and diagnose skills. Overall, Rousseau is a faith-based projection with clear bust potential because he is still learning how to be impactful from snap-to-snap. But his natural instincts and traits (length, frame, athleticism) give him a Chandler Jones-type of ceiling.

Pick 61 Bills Select Carlos Basham, DE/DT, Wake Forrest
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Nimble-footed big man with straight-line explosion...understands rush tracks, widening outside to create an inside lane...can be knocked off his path, but maintains his balance at contact...brawny frame with adequate length and a strong trunk...plays with natural force to work his way through bodies...hand technique and purpose have improved each season...very aware player with the reaction skills to close down run lanes...never quits hustling, chasing the ball up-and-down the
line of scrimmage...gets his hands elevated into passing lanes...his relentless nature directly leads to production, recording 33.5 tackles for loss over 33 games the last three seasons.

WEAKNESSES: Stiff hips and tall pads, struggling to dip or bend around blockers...wild, inefficient pass rush plan with too many wasted movements in his sequence...explosive lower body out of his stance, but his hands don’t play with the same explosion...has shown the ability to track the football or break down blockers in front of him, but struggles to do both simultaneously...bad habit of turning his shoulder at contact instead of locking out with his length.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Wake Forest, Basham lined up at defensive end in defensive coordinator Lyle Hemphill’s four-man base, often reducing inside over the A-gap or B-gap on passing downs. Between October 2018 and October 2020, he recorded at least one tackle for loss in 23 straight games, which was the longest streak in the country the last few seasons. While he can be slowed, Basham is rarely controlled due to his active play style, power and hustle, which directly leads to production. His hands have some pop, but his stiff hips show when trying to bend the corner and he must develop his pass rush sequence. Overall, Basham needs to become a more creative pass rusher, but his size, explosiveness and effort are above average and allow him to rush from different alignments. He projects similarly to the Texans’ Charles Omenihu as a starting base end with scheme versatility.

Pick 93 Bills Select Spencer Brown, OT, Northern Iowa
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Boasts the framework of a massive oak door...has added almost 90 pounds since high school, moving from tight end to offensive tackle...moves with the foot quickness to mirror rushers, using bend to sit in his stance...works hard to sustain and has the recovery agility to make up ground after a misstep...unleashes violent swat/chop moves...plays with the torque strength through his core and embraces the physicality at the position...hooks and drives his legs through contact in the run game...collapses on down blocks...mean, physical finisher and blocks with a touch of insanity to him...NFL coaches will love his blue-collar attitude and disciplined work ethic...started 32 games at right tackle in college.

WEAKNESSES: Still developing and growing into his body...can bend, but his elevated pad level needs to be a priority for him on every snap...his technique quickly turns chaotic and breaks down vs. speed...too reactionary in his pass-sets, allowing rushers to set things up...needs to be more consistent with his landmarks and punch timing...perpetual leaner due to his overeager appetite...medicals will be important: suffered a torn MCL in his right knee (October 2017), requiring season- ending surgery; required surgery on his left knee (May 2015) as a junior in high school to repair a “defect” under his kneecap...has only three years of offensive line experience and hasn’t faced top competition.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Northern Iowa, Brown was the right tackle in former offensive coordinator Ryan Mahaffey’s scheme. A tight end and defensive end in eight-man high school football, he added almost 90 pounds the last five years and put himself on the NFL map, starting 32 games at right tackle. Brown’s tight end and basketball background are clear with his smooth movements and natural body flexibility, which allow him to mirror and handle space. His tall pad level and immature processing skills lead to balance/anchor issues and his overall consistency from snap to snap isn’t currently on an NFL level. Overall, Brown still is learning how to properly use technique and the biomechanics of his frame, but he is a smooth athlete with the length and competitive toughness that make him an ideal developmental project for an NFL coaching staff.

Pick 161 Bills Select Tommy Doyle, OT, Miami Ohio
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Tall, projectable frame with adequate length...athletic feet/hips in his kickslide...works hard to gain proper lateral positioning...shows the movement skills to execute cut-off blocks...plays a physical brand of football and drives defenders off the ball in the run game...loads up ammo in his hands to stone defenders...improved timing and eye discipline to connect with targets...competes with a fierce demeanor and the Miami coaches say his aggression is unforced...started 30 games in college split between left and right tackle.

WEAKNESSES: Struggles to drop his hips and sustain his knee bend in his pass sets...can be out-leveraged at the point-of-attack and pushed back on his heels when long-armed rushers reach his chest...inconsistent body lean and his upper and lower halves are often on different pages...spends too much time on the ground...his contact balance is average, at best, in the run game...lacks efficiency when asked to execute combo/climbing blocks...started every game the last two seasons, but battled multiple injuries over his first three seasons on campus.

SUMMARY: A four-year starter at Miami (Ohio), Doyle was the left tackle in head coach Chuck Martin’s offense. Focused on hockey most of his life, he made the switch to football in high school and settled in at offensive tackle for the RedHawks, earning First Team All-MAC honors as a junior and senior. Doyle didn’t face high- level pass rushers each week in the MAC, but he more than held his own vs. A.J. Epenesa on the 2019 Iowa tape and took positive steps in his development each season. While he works hard to gain positioning, he isn’t a natural or fluid bender, leading to grabbing and technique breakdowns. Overall, Doyle is overly segmented with his movements and pad level continues to be an issue, but he is a tenacious blocker with the raw size and athleticism worth developing. He projects as a future NFL swing tackle.

Pick 203 Bills Select Marquez Stevesenson, WR, Houston
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: One-step acceleration to reach his top-end speed quickly...stacks corners vertically to be a legitimate deep threat...big play waiting to happen with the ball in his hands, averaging 8.1 yards after the catch since 2018...uses outstanding burst to escape press or shake coverage, making sharp 90-degree cuts...able to decelerate and sink on command to separate at the top of routes...improved catch point focus over the years (11 drops in 2018, but only five the last two seasons combined)...responsible for three kickoff return touchdowns the last two seasons, averaging 23.4 yards per return (38/889/3)...very reserved, but respected in the locker room, earning team captain as a senior.

WEAKNESSES: Narrowly-built with minimal definition...marginal play strength, which hinders his catch radius and limits him in contested situations...will peek at defenders prior to the catch, leading to a disruption in focus...hand strength is average...at his best on straight-line or one-cut patterns, but displays sloppy, unpolished tendencies as a route-runner...ball security was an issue for him in college...minimal punt return experience...lack of body armor leads to durability questions...missed most of the 2016 season after suffering a broken collarbone (August 2016); Missed the 2017 season after suffering a torn ACL in his left knee during a non-contact drill in practice (April 2017), requiring surgery; Missed two games as a senior due to a left ankle injury (October 2020).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Houston, Stevenson played the H receiver in head coach Dana Holgorsen’s Air Raid scheme, lining up both inside and outside. He was underdeveloped when he arrived at Houston, which led to early injuries, but he grew into a playmaker the last three seasons, including 12 offensive plays (10 catches, two carries) of 50-plus yards. A lean, dynamic athlete, Stevenson has the speed that looks different than everyone else on the field. His sudden feet and body control allow him to snap out of his breaks, but his feel and instincts as a route runner aren’t on an NFL level yet. Overall, Stevenson isn’t a physical, catch-point winner, but he has the explosive acceleration and long speed to be a downfield threat and can add value as a return man.

Pick 212 Bills Select Damar Hamlin, S, Pittsburgh
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Brings plenty of range to the field, flying across the screen to make plays...trusts his field vision and stays dialed in, consistently rallying to the football...solid awareness from zone to find the passing lane...his aggressive catch-point skills heighten the degree of difficulty for receivers...runs through his target as a tackler and doesn’t lack for toughness downhill...coachable and communicates well...voted a team captain in 2020 and singled out by several teammates as the tone-setter behind the scenes...intelligent player, which allowed the coaches to mix and match him up across the secondary...productive collegiate resume with almost 300 career tackles and 27 passes defended over 40 starts.

WEAKNESSES: Cornerback body type with a leaner-than-ideal build for an NFL safety...overeager tackler who must learn better discipline and tempo in his pursuit angles to avoid overrunning ball carriers...below-average finishing strength also contributes to the missed tackles on his tape...crazed feet mid-transition leave him off-balance...handsy in coverage and needs to be more subtle with his downfield contact...his slender body type leads to durability concerns; he battled adversity early in his college career due to a core muscle injury (sports hernia) that originated his senior year in high school and required three procedures, sidelining him for almost all of his first season at Pitt...wasn’t a full-time special-teamer in college.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Pitt, Hamlin played free safety in head coach Pat Narduzzi’s defense, lining up primarily to the field side and over the slot. He signed with Pitt as a cornerback before moving to safety in 2017 where he filled up the stat sheet, finishing his career No. 12 in school history with 192 solo tackles. Hamlin is a smart, speedy athlete and takes coaching well, playing with the veteran savvy to read, react and drive on plays. He competes with reckless abandon and NFL-level toughness, although his overaggressive playing style leads to missed tackles. Overall, Hamlin’s lack of ideal size, strength and discipline will be tougher to mask in the NFL, but his playing speed, instincts and physical mentality will be welcome traits in any NFL locker room. He projects as a backup who will need to earn his way on special-teams coverage.

Pick 213 Bills Select Rachad Wildgoose, CB, Wisconsin

The Athletic Write-up:
SUMMARY: Rachad (ra-SHAWD) Wildgoose Jr. spent his freshman and sophomore years at Booker T. Washington High School, his junior year at Coral Gables and his senior season at Miami’s Northwestern High School. As a senior, he helped the team to the 2017 Class 6A state title and earned All-County honors. A three-star recruit, Wildgoose was initially committed to Rutgers and Georgia before signing with Wisconsin. He started all three seasons (inside and outside) before opting out after two games (and a shoulder injury) as a junior. Wildgoose has adequate transitional quickness and carries himself with confidence, but he doesn’t play instinctive and is more reactive than anticipatory. While he plays with aggression, his tackling skills have been inconsistent, leaving concerns about his reliability at inside cornerback. Overall, Wildgoose has ordinary size, strength and speed and struggles to distinguish himself on tape and projects as a developmental NFL prospect.

Pick 36 Bills Select Jack Anderson, G, Texas Tech
The Athletic Write-up:
STRENGTHS: Good-sized frame with large hands...projectable play strength and creates knockback due to his physical hands...uses his grip power to latch and bully, never passing up an opportunity to bury his man...slams into down blocks to seal...nimble out of his stance and moves with light feet...appears comfortable on the move, pulling or climbing...swings his body and establishes strong angles...verified block-finisher and adds a little extra for good measure...team captain and doesn’t lack for confidence...started 38 games at Texas Tech, often battling through minor injuries.

WEAKNESSES: Short, T-Rex-type arms and struggles with tall pad level...strikes with forceful hands, but needs to improve his reset and placement...his hands are too often low and stuck in the holster, causing him to be late...inconsistent success rate on reaches and cut-off blocks...will overshoot his landmarks, playing quick but not consistently under control...ends up on the ground more than you want...missed most of the 2019 season due to shoulder surgery (September 2019)...was a right guard-only in college, with questionable position flex (mixed results when he played center at the Senior Bowl).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Texas Tech, Anderson lined up at right guard in former offensive coordinator David Yost’s scheme. He was one of the highest- ranked recruits in Red Raiders history and was consistently productive in Lubbock, earning All-Conference honors in 2018 and 2020 (missed 2019 season with a shoulder injury). Anderson is efficient on the move and plays with pop in his hands and a nasty attitude, looking to seal or drive defenders off the spot. His technique tends to break down and his overeager playing style leads to balance and timing issues. Overall, Anderson is strong and nimble with the mean streak desired for trench work, but he plays too upright and his lack of length lowers his margin for error. He projects as a potential backup guard/center in a zone-based scheme.


Bills UDFA Signings
  • Olaijah Griffin, CB, USC
  • Nick McCloud, CB, Notre Dame
  • Quintin Morris, TE, Bowling Green
  • Tre Walker, WR, San Jose State
  • Tariq Thompson, S, San Diego State
  • Syrus Tuitele, OL, Fresno State
 
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As someone who has pretty much stayed away from most draft talk up until now can someone lay out all the narratives? I know some people do/don't want an RB. Some people want Etienne. Don't know much else other than that.
 

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In Beane we trust, guy can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned..if its DE/CB cool, if he moves up to get his favorite guy cool, if he loves ETN fine go for it, even a C/G bruiser or a trade down if his board is still deep to collect some more ammo to move back up in 2nd or 3rd. Roster is deep, there aren't many paths for some of the later picks to even make the team.

But ideally imo DE, CB, C/G in some order first 3 picks. TE (great blocker), RB/WR/KR (boom upside), BPA (LB/CB/S) Day 3. 1techDT in there too.

I'm not sure I believe the ETN smoke, BUT if Daboll still has some RB plays he hasnt been able to unlock yet due to personel, his elite pass catching ability could be another crazy weapon for Josh.
 

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Just watching espn. They have a report in Trevor Lawrence house and he video bombs the report during the live update report.
 
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As someone who has pretty much stayed away from most draft talk up until now can someone lay out all the narratives? I know some people do/don't want an RB. Some people want Etienne. Don't know much else other than that.
This is all with my own bias, but here's the landscape I see:
  • If they draft a RB, it's going to be Travis Etienne. Nothing against Harris and Williams, but Beane has made clear what the RB room is missing is elite speed, and he's the only of the top group that provides it. The argument against is that taking a RB high is pretty much never worth it and never works. Some posters even think he's not that good if a prospect. The argument for is that we should do whatever we can to load up on offense and adding a home run hitting RB is the best way to do that given how set the rest of the offense is. Almost everyone agrees we shouldn't trade up to do so.
  • Most commentators believe the Bills will take CB or DE. I personally think DE is most likely. There's no elite DE prospects, but there are a number of guys with decent college production and various different skillsets (Ojulari, Paye, Phillips). One polarizing DE is Oweh, who has elite traits but didn't have a single sack last year, though apparently his film is better than his sack sheet. There are other guys as well, Rousseau and Tryon, for example, that most of us would be pretty disappointed with in the first.
  • At CB, Surtain and Horn are the top guys, we're not getting them. Newsome is a carbon cut out of what the Bills want in a corner (doesn't give up big plays, plays zone, sturdy tackler). Farley is perhaps the best CB in the draft, but has serious medical issues (didn't play in 2020 and just had unexpected back surgery about a month ago). Then there's a second tier of corners including Stokes and Samuel that are usually called second round guys but the Bills could totally take at 30. Editors note: I love Stokes and hate Samuel.
  • My personal favorite bills fit is Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. He's a LB/S hybrid player that can cover WRs in the slot despite having LB physicality. I think he's everything McDermott ever wanted in a big nickel. Alas, he's unlikely to last to anywhere near where we pick, but I could see the Bills trading up for him.
  • There's a fleet of WRs expected to be available when we pick. Maybe the Bills grab one? Look up Elijah and Rondale More, Kadarious Toney, Rashad Bateman, and Terrace Marshall if that interests you.
  • Landon Dickerson is an elite center with injury issues. It's easy to picture him as the Bills center for the next 10 years. But do they take an injury plagued player in the first? Maybe a better second round trade up option?
  • Finally, in my opinion one overarching narrative is the lack of depth in this class and the Bills lack of roster spots. This draft class has literally half the players in it as last year. The top end talent is fine, but by day 3 you're talking guys that are more like UDFA caliber. Furthermore, the Bills have been so aggressive in filling out the bottom of their roster, that there's just not a lot of space for fringe draft picks to make the team. What does this mean? Some expect they try trading those picks for picks next year, but word on the street is that 2022 picks are a hot commodity no one wants to part with. Me? I think of how Beane has traded up almost every first round pick he has had and I'm expecting him to aggressive trade up on days one and two. I think most of their day 3 picks (two 5ths, a 6th, and a 7th) ultimately get used as trade bait rather than actually made.
Any other questions I'm happy to answer! But that's the landscape as I see it heading into draft day for the Bills.
 

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@Husko re: Love and the Packers.

Yea they did last year but Love sucks. They can do the Josh Rosen treatment.
What are we basing this off of?

Rosen had a terrible year (albeit in a bad situation) and the Cardinals had a #1 OA pick and a QB they loved staring them in the face.

Love hasn't even stepped on the field.

If they move Rodgers, I firmly believe it's to hand the reigns to Love.
 

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Just remember that nearly everything the media reports on is:

- from agents (most reports are from agent leaks)

- teams deliberately leak info (often through agents)
 

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If I'm a Packers fan, I'm ready to take a pitchfork mob to Lambeau. What they've done with Rodgers is borderline criminal, IMO. Not only have they steadfastly refused to get him any talented help at WR the last few years (It's Devante Adams (2nd rounder, FWIW) and then a bunch of 3/4/5 guys), but they took his replacement at least 2 years too early.

I don't blame him at all for wanting out, if he indeed does.
 

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One thing I love about the draft is that unless you literally have hundreds of hours to read the entire beast, you can keep discovering cool prospects right up and through the draft. One I just learned about: Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri. What makes this seemingly non-entity fringe roster player TE prospect?

A no-star recruit out of high school, Davidson received interest from Division II and JUCO programs as a punter. He received two FCS-level offers and committed to Central Missouri (over Missouri Southern) as a punter and the chance to try out at tight end. After redshirting in 2016, Davidson was a three-year punter at Central Missouri and started to get an opportunity at tight end as a sophomore and junior (no senior season due to the canceled 2020 fall season).

A college all American P turned TE! As someone that loathes the P position and generally would love to find ways to eliminate it from the 53 man roster, this is so cool! Obviously the Bills aren't in a position to do this after giving a punter a multi-year deal, but I think it would be so cool for a team to draft Davidson and have him serve as your 3rd TE, generic special teams contributor, and punter! Yeah, it's just one roster spot you're saving, but anything helps! And no I don't care if he's the worst punter in the NFL; I just wouldn't care.
 

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If I'm a Packers fan, I'm ready to take a pitchfork mob to Lambeau. What they've done with Rodgers is borderline criminal, IMO. Not only have they steadfastly refused to get him any talented help at WR the last few years (It's Devante Adams (2nd rounder, FWIW) and then a bunch of 3/4/5 guys), but they took his replacement at least 2 years too early.

I don't blame him at all for wanting out, if he indeed does.
It's worse than you think.

They haven't taken a WR at all in the last two years.

They haven't taken a WR in the first three rounds since 2015 (Ty Montgomery).

They've never taken a WR in the first since Rodgers arrived, and Adams is the only one in the second.

It's downright insulting and mind blowing. Any GM that mishandles a franchise QB to the point where they want out (GB, Houston) should never get a job again. Arrogant executives that care more about fake "team-first pride" than doing the right thing.
 
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Just remember that nearly everything the media reports on is:

- from agents (most reports are from agent leaks)

- teams deliberately leak info (often through agents)
And sometimes the teams leak bad info about guys they like to try to get said player to drop (Bills pushed the narrative that Dion Dawkins couldn't play tackle to get him to drop, despite them grading him as a LT)
 
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It's worse than you think.

They haven't taken a WR at all in the last two years.

They haven't taken a WR in the first three rounds since 2015 (Ty Montgomery).

They've never taken a WR in the first since Rodgers arrived, and Adams is the only one in the second.

It's downright insulting and mind blowing. Any GM that mishandles a franchise QB to the point where they want out (GB, Houston) should never get a job again. Arrogant executives that care more about fake "team-first pride" than doing the right thing.

The somewhat delicious irony in all this? If San Fran really does make some sort of godfather offer to GB that involves the 3rd pick this year?

The absolute no-brainer choice for the Pack at 3 is JaMarr Chase........surround their young QB with weapons.....JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH AARON.
 
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Looking at Packers cap situation I always thought 2022 was when Rodgers got traded.

They are keeping the band together for one more year.

It's not inconceivable he moves this year. The dead cap isn't completely crippling like it is for Matt Ryan or Jared Goff. Especially if they trade him after 1st June.
 

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It's not inconceivable he moves this year. The dead cap isn't completely crippling like it is for Matt Ryan or Jared Goff. Especially if they trade him after 1st June.
It's more a matter of they had a competitive cap situation this year and could've loaded up and taken a serious run.

Instead they sat fairly idle, didn't add much in FA or move out pieces to free up cap space and retool. On the whole they just kept the band together to make another run. Which might work, but if I was a fan of them I'd have wanted a lot more proactivity.
 
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One thing I love about the draft is that unless you literally have hundreds of hours to read the entire beast, you can keep discovering cool prospects right up and through the draft. One I just learned about: Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri. What makes this seemingly non-entity fringe roster player TE prospect?



A college all American P turned TE! As someone that loathes the P position and generally would love to find ways to eliminate it from the 53 man roster, this is so cool! Obviously the Bills aren't in a position to do this after giving a punter a multi-year deal, but I think it would be so cool for a team to draft Davidson and have him serve as your 3rd TE, generic special teams contributor, and punter! Yeah, it's just one roster spot you're saving, but anything helps! And no I don't care if he's the worst punter in the NFL; I just wouldn't care.

The Beast is an easy reader compared to what teams maintain as draft reports.

The Beast is basically a summary.
 
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missingmika

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What are we basing this off of?

Rosen had a terrible year (albeit in a bad situation) and the Cardinals had a #1 OA pick and a QB they loved staring them in the face.

Love hasn't even stepped on the field.

If they move Rodgers, I firmly believe it's to hand the reigns to Love.

Love was terrible in college. He did lead the nation in interceptions his senior year. I don’t think a first round QB has ever done that.
 
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