Buffalo Bills Buffalo Bills 2020 Continued

[Dirty Dog]

Well I hope Houston enjoyed the high of a comeback win.

 

[joshjull]

 

[TalkingProuder]

I heard Beane say last year he doesn't like games where people score more than 50.

He must be furious as the 21 points a game by McDermott now looks like a pretty low bar to shoot for.

 

[TheStorm]

Texans fans complaing about reffing is about as hilarious as when Pats fans do it

 

[whiplash]

Blah, I'm also fully out of my malaise. Good to see the Texans eat shit. Didn't want to hear about them for another week.

Pats losing right after helped dampen the initial shock but every time I think of the game directly, I get sad. Such a wasted opportunity, emblematic of all our worst qualities this year. I suppose I'm excited for next season, just don't want to think about it for a few months. Maybe the Olympics will be fun...

 

[Buffaloed]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen 40 unanswered points.

The Bills scored 44 unanswered points on the Raiders in the 1991 AFC Championship game

 

[missingmika]

The Bills scored 44 unanswered points on the Raiders in the 1991 AFC Championship game

Georgia Tech scored 222 unanswered points vs Cumberland in 1916.

 

[Buffaloed]

Nice spot for the Packers lol

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Yay continuity !! I mean if a guy leads you to 2 bottom 10 offenses in a row, keeping him around to coach your prized franchise QB is really good idea. :thumbu

7th times the charm for Daboll to reach the teens in either YPG or PPG. Just because he coached under Belicheat and Saban doesn't mean shit. Damnit Cleveland why couldn't you hire him.

Daboll blows. Can't wait for another season of botton 12 offense and Sputtering drives leading to field goals.

Oh and when everyone was up in arms when I was suggesting putting in Josh for the final 8 minutes of the game to get practice on leading a come back/must score on drive scenario.

But injuries! Surely Allen only could have possibly got hurt on the last 2 drives and not the first 2 that McD put him in for. If you were willing to play him at all then why do you not do it in the situation that would teach hin the most. When the Bills are tied or down against a decent team I already know we will not score to tie or win it. See Baltimore, New England 2.0, Cleveland, Houston games .... and 90% of that is due to coaching.

I would love an innovative bright mind not a guy like Daboll who thinks running Frank Gore 2-3 times inside the 10 in a row is a smart idea.


And I bet Baltimore regrets the long time in between games for Lamar. He was off, rusty and had his woret game. Some players don't do good with multiple weeks off of playing.

Seeing Houston pull a Buffalo but even worse (24 instead of 16 to 0) put a smile on my face but also pissed me off. The Bills should have been playing in round 2. And no a Ryan tannehill led Titans is not better then us to the guy who said last week it didn't matter we had no chance of beating KC or baltimore anyway.

Coaching is probably the biggest bane of this team and not McD but the offense aka Daboll. Praying some college team hires him.

Out of the final 4 I want to see 49ers vs Chiefs but want the Pack to win. f*** the titans.

 

[Waterfowlist]

The Bills scored 44 unanswered points on the Raiders in the 1991 AFC Championship game

I was 7! I’m sure I was watching but can’t say I remember too much. Only super bowl I really remember was 93

 

[Member 308457]

I noticed Mahomes...calm and right on target and constantly changing his arm motion delivery flexible to what's available. Kelce had 3 TDs. I saw Watkins with two receptions, both on "free" plays where Houston went offsides...Kudos to the Chiefs who never gave up. Bills should take notes, especially Josh should take notes.

 

[stealth1]

The K.C./Houston game was the most entertaining game of the weekend. I hope K.C. wins it all. I am tired of seeing guys throwing for less then 200 yards a game and winning. For some reason older Bills fans want to go back to the days of a lot running the ball and elite defense with 17-10 games.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I noticed Mahomes...calm and right on target almost all the time. No nervous overthrows or deer-in-the-headlights eyes like Josh. Mahomes also constantly changes his arm motion delivery depending on the direction and intensity of the rush and who and where he has an available receiver. That's the kind of improvisation that makes plays and it allows him to more accurately and instantly target who's open. But it fools his receivers sometimes. Lots of drops at the beginning..Kelce had 3 TDs with 10 or so receptions and bulled his way for many yards. I like the way he catches, bull-rushes and protects the football.

I saw Watkins with two receptions, both on "free" plays where Houston went offsides. Watkins I think is a bust, especially for what the Bills sacrificed for him. But you never know in these big games; he might come up big in one, although consistency and staying healthy is obviously still a problem. Yet another Pegula draft over-reach. Although the Chiefs are very entertaining, I don't want to see McCoy and Watkins with Super Bowl rings. Don't like either of them.

On the other hand, I saw Watson with early over-confidence and then spending lots of time dancing around. I think Josh would have had a similar fate, although if he gets over 20 pts., it's a miracle.

Kudos to the Chiefs who never gave up. Bills should take notes, especially Josh Allen on how to calmly and accurately deliver right on target and at the right speed and trajectory.

I mean- you're watching the best QB in the league play. Damn near every QB should be taking notes.

Also, the Bills didn't quit. The came back after getting sloppy to force OT.

 

[Dubi Doo]

The K.C./Houston game was the most entertaining game of the weekend. I hope K.C. wins it all. I am tired of seeing guys throwing for less then 200 yards a game and winning. For some reason older Bills fans want to go back to the days of a lot running the ball and elite defense with 17-10 games.

Ehhh, I'd assume most Bills fan want Allen to become a franchise QB, and see an offense that can score on will like Kelly did with the K-gun offense.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Blah, I'm also fully out of my malaise. Good to see the Texans eat ****. Didn't want to hear about them for another week.

Pats losing right after helped dampen the initial shock but every time I think of the game directly, I get sad. Such a wasted opportunity, emblematic of all our worst qualities this year. I suppose I'm excited for next season, just don't want to think about it for a few months. Maybe the Olympics will be fun...

Yeah I’m still not fully over that loss either.

But I will say, I’d much rather the Bills lose like they did vs how the Texans lost yesterday.

The Bills game was close. The players know a win was there for the taking. They lost because of their own mistakes and It seems like it has motivated Bills players going into the offseason.

Losing like the Texans did against KC has to be demoralizing. They got embarrassed.

I would worry what a loss like that would do to the Bills confidence as a team. I’d be worried that it would leave them feeling like they were years away from being a contender instead of leaving them feeling like they are close (like they seem to feel now).

 

[TalkingProuder]

The K.C./Houston game was the most entertaining game of the weekend. I hope K.C. wins it all. I am tired of seeing guys throwing for less then 200 yards a game and winning. For some reason older Bills fans want to go back to the days of a lot running the ball and elite defense with 17-10 games.

I was listening to Murphy and Tasker for a bit while running errands and they were selling the idea that "defense and running game are back, woo hoo".

Pegula hired another defense first coach and they are trying to tell fans don't worry about QB play, let's play defense and run the ball.

Of course Murphy skipped over the fact that the team favored in the AFC Championship game scored TD's on SEVEN consecutive drives throwing the football where running was just an afterthought. But throwing the ball requires top end offensive coaching, investment in the offense and so far sounds like we are about to get sold the BPA in round 1 is a defensive end for McDermott yet again as the offense has to get by with spare parts.

 

[brian_griffin]

The K.C./Houston game was the most entertaining game of the weekend. I hope K.C. wins it all. I am tired of seeing guys throwing for less then 200 yards a game and winning. For some reason older Bills fans want to go back to the days of a lot running the ball and elite defense with 17-10 games.

I think we all want to see wins. Unless football has changed, AFAIK, the probability of winning in the NFL is more highly correlated (less residual) with increasingly higher per-game rushing average once teams get to some threshold total rushing yards (e.g., 150 ypg or something like that), than the probability of winning is correlated to increasing passing yardage above some threshold ypg (e.g., 300 ypg or something like that).

From an entertainment value standpoint, I'd personally rather watch a low-scoring defensive battle where each yard and each series of field position battle matters, versus a pass-happy game where a couple blown coverages and the official's calls or non-calls have a greater probability of deciding the outcome.

Texans-Chiefs was entertaining, but wholly from how the game unfolded: Chiefs initial ineptness and Texans capitalization, then the Chiefs steamrolling comeback against a Texans defense which was acknowledged to be suspect and arguably the worst of all 12 playoff teams. If you saw the final score without knowing how the game unfolded, you likely would not have been surprised.

If you want passing / scoring, watch the Big 12 conference.
Not arguing, but to each his own.
(signed)
-old guy

btw, tonight's national championship playoff game is framing up to be a great battle from both teams on both sides of the ball.

 

[CrazyPsycho]

sounds like we are about to get sold the BPA in round 1 is a defensive end for McDermott yet again as the offense has to get by with spare parts.

Beane literally said he needs to get more weapons, they arent as stupid as some people want them to be

 

[SundherDome]

I was listening to Murphy and Tasker for a bit while running errands and they were selling the idea that "defense and running game are back, woo hoo".

Pegula hired another defense first coach and they are trying to tell fans don't worry about QB play, let's play defense and run the ball.

Of course Murphy skipped over the fact that the team favored in the AFC Championship game scored TD's on SEVEN consecutive drives throwing the football where running was just an afterthought. But throwing the ball requires top end offensive coaching, investment in the offense and so far sounds like we are about to get sold the BPA in round 1 is a defensive end for McDermott yet again as the offense has to get by with spare parts.

Who cares if BPA is a defensive end. I would love more sacks and qb pressure. Look at what the 49ers are doing, that dline had continuous pressure on Minnesota the whole game and SF also ran the ball effectively.

Also throwing the football and having top end coaching is a terrible correlation. You need receivers who run a route tree well and separate. Currently only Brown does this well on our team and Beasley when he is matched up against a LB. You can have elite coaches on the sidelines but if your guys can't seperate, it won't be there.

It almost seems like you want us to repeat the 2014 draft.

 

[flashsabre]

First World problems. It is not anymore “if” you win, it now has to be “how” you win

 

[Fezzy126]

I was listening to Murphy and Tasker for a bit while running errands and they were selling the idea that "defense and running game are back, woo hoo".

Pegula hired another defense first coach and they are trying to tell fans don't worry about QB play, let's play defense and run the ball.

Of course Murphy skipped over the fact that the team favored in the AFC Championship game scored TD's on SEVEN consecutive drives throwing the football where running was just an afterthought. But throwing the ball requires top end offensive coaching, investment in the offense and so far sounds like we are about to get sold the BPA in round 1 is a defensive end for McDermott yet again as the offense has to get by with spare parts.

If the Chiefs are your example of the need to invest high end assets into the offense, it's probably a bad example. Here's the level of investment they used in their offense outside of QB:

• Hill - 5th round pick
• Damien Williams - FA (originally with Miami after going undrafted)
• Travis Kelce - 3rd Round
• Sammy Watkins - FA
• Demarcus Robinson - 4th Round
• Mecole Hardman - 2nd Round

I agree that we need to find a few more offensive weapons, but drafting a WR in the 1st round to bolster a young QB isn't exactly a proven strategy. Here's a sample of the of the last 4 years, and you need to be able to identify/scout the right guys, but the value at WR is almost always in rounds 2-4:

2019			2018			2017			2016
RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER
1	25	Marquise Brown	1	24	D.J. Moore	1	5	Corey Davis	1	15	Corey Coleman
1	32	N'Keal Harry	1	26	Calvin Ridley	1	7	Mike Williams	1	21	Will Fuller
2	36	Deebo Samuel	2	40	Courtland Sutton	1	9	John Ross	1	22	Josh Doctson
2	51	A.J. Brown	2	44	Dante Pettis	2	40	Curtis Samuel	1	23	Laquon Treadwell
2	56	Mecole Hardman	2	47	Christian Kirk	2	62	JuJu Smith-Schuster	2	40	Sterling Shepard
2	57	J.J. Arcega-Whiteside	2	51	Anthony Miller	2	37	Zay Jones	2	47	Michael Thomas
2	59	Parris Campbell	2	60	James Washington	3	69	Cooper Kupp	2	55	Tyler Boyd
2	62	Andy Isabella	2	61	D.J. Chark	3	72	Taywan Taylor	3	85	Braxton Miller
2	64	D.K. Metcalf	3	81	Michael Gallup	3	79	ArDarius Stewart	3	86	Leonte Carroo
3	66	Diontae Johnson	3	91	Tre'Quan Smith	3	82	Carlos Henderson	4	107	Chris Moore
3	67	Jalen Hurd	4	103	Keke Coutee	3	84	Chris Godwin	4	112	Malcolm Mitchell
3	76	Terry McLaurin	4	105	Antonio Callaway	3	96	Kenny Golladay	4	114	Ricardo Louis
3	93	Miles Boykin	4	113	DaeSean Hamilton	3	98	Chad Williams	4	117	Pharoh Cooper
			4	132	Jaleel Scott	3	106	Amara Darboh	4	126	Demarcus Robinson
			4	133	J'Mon Moore	4	110	Dede Westbrook	4	138	Seth DeValve

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[TalkingProuder]

If the Chiefs are your example of the need to invest high end assets into the offense, it's probably a bad example. Here's the level of investment they used in their offense outside of QB:

• Hill - 5th round pick
• Damien Williams - FA (originally with Miami after going undrafted)
• Travis Kelce - 3rd Round
• Sammy Watkins - FA
• Demarcus Robinson - 4th Round
• Mecole Hardman - 2nd Round

I agree that we need to find a few more offensive weapons, but drafting a WR in the 1st round to bolster a young QB isn't exactly a proven strategy. Here's a sample of the of the last 4 years, and you need to be able to identify/scout the right guys, but the value at WR is almost always in rounds 2-4:

2019			2018			2017			2016
RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER	RD	SEL #	PLAYER
1	25	Marquise Brown	1	24	D.J. Moore	1	5	Corey Davis	1	15	Corey Coleman
1	32	N'Keal Harry	1	26	Calvin Ridley	1	7	Mike Williams	1	21	Will Fuller
2	36	Deebo Samuel	2	40	Courtland Sutton	1	9	John Ross	1	22	Josh Doctson
2	51	A.J. Brown	2	44	Dante Pettis	2	40	Curtis Samuel	1	23	Laquon Treadwell
2	56	Mecole Hardman	2	47	Christian Kirk	2	62	JuJu Smith-Schuster	2	40	Sterling Shepard
2	57	J.J. Arcega-Whiteside	2	51	Anthony Miller	2	37	Zay Jones	2	47	Michael Thomas
2	59	Parris Campbell	2	60	James Washington	3	69	Cooper Kupp	2	55	Tyler Boyd
2	62	Andy Isabella	2	61	D.J. Chark	3	72	Taywan Taylor	3	85	Braxton Miller
2	64	D.K. Metcalf	3	81	Michael Gallup	3	79	ArDarius Stewart	3	86	Leonte Carroo
3	66	Diontae Johnson	3	91	Tre'Quan Smith	3	82	Carlos Henderson	4	107	Chris Moore
3	67	Jalen Hurd	4	103	Keke Coutee	3	84	Chris Godwin	4	112	Malcolm Mitchell
3	76	Terry McLaurin	4	105	Antonio Callaway	3	96	Kenny Golladay	4	114	Ricardo Louis
3	93	Miles Boykin	4	113	DaeSean Hamilton	3	98	Chad Williams	4	117	Pharoh Cooper
			4	132	Jaleel Scott	3	106	Amara Darboh	4	126	Demarcus Robinson
			4	133	J'Mon Moore	4	110	Dede Westbrook	4	138	Seth DeValve

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's great but the Bills have had 3 drafts under McDermott and or Beane and didn't land a Travis Kelce or a Tyreek Hill..or even a Mecole Hardman. Singletary is a nice piece to add into a RBBC .

If you want to see a recent example look at one of the major Superbowl contenders in SF. Shanahan was hired and they spent 1st round picks on the other side of the ball...because Shanahan was going to make do with later round WR's, a trade for Jummy G, a star TE (they landed in the 5th), and a few high draft picks at tackle.

Well, McDermott is not a Kyle Shanahan. He's a defensive coach and with the exception of the QB every draft the 1st round pick has gone to HIS side of the ball.

If these guys were so good at drafting offensive stars late they would have already done so. None here yet after 3 drafts.

 

[Fezzy126]

That's great but the Bills have had 3 drafts under McDermott and or Beane and didn't land a Travis Kelce or a Tyreek Hill..or even a Mecole Hardman. Singletary is a nice piece to add into a RBBC .

If you want to see a recent example look at one of the major Superbowl contenders in SF. Shanahan was hired and they spent 1st round picks on the other side of the ball...because Shanahan was going to make do with later round WR's, a trade for Jummy G, a star TE (they landed in the 5th), and a few high draft picks at tackle.

Well, McDermott is not a Kyle Shanahan. He's a defensive coach and with the exception of the QB every draft the 1st round pick has gone to HIS side of the ball.

If these guys were so good at drafting offensive stars late they would have already done so. None here yet after 3 drafts.

My point was that high end value for offensive weapons isn't found in the 1st round.

 

[TalkingProuder]

My point was that high end value for offensive weapons isn't found in the 1st round.

We're drafting late 1st. You normally don't find elite pass rushers left on the board there. There often are stud offensive players still there such as Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalf, etc last year.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

We're drafting late 1st. You normally don't find elite pass rushers left on the board there. There often are stud offensive players still there such as Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalf, etc last year.

Exactly this.

I'd be ecstatic if the Bills drafted Chase Young... But they won't. There's zero chance.

Especially with this class - they should get a good receiver at 22. Its the biggest position of need.

Don't overthink this one, guys.